drinking out loud

Are European Wines Superior?

This unspoken question always lurks. Is it true? Should we care?
Matt Kramer
Posted: June 7, 2011

SALZBURG, Austria—While sitting in a café in this famously atmospheric city, sluicing down a pleasant Austrian red wine (a Zweigelt, if you must know), I couldn't help but ponder a question that has plagued American wine lovers for decades: Are European wines superior?

Now, before you get all huffy and chest-puffy with national pride, allow me to point out that 30 years ago this question was no question at all. Even most California wine producers back in the 1970s agreed that European wines were superior compared with their own fledgling efforts.

I recall the late Myron Nightingale, who was winemaker at Beringer Vineyards as well as a former president of the American Society of Enology and Viticulture—and a real sweetheart of a guy, too—growling about ever-higher California wine prices. "If I'm going to spend 50 bucks on a wine, it's going to be European!" he said to me.

Today, of course, all such bets are off. That's no news. But I don't think that I'm alone among Americans—or among Australians, New Zealanders, Chileans or Argentinians for that matter—who have traveled to Europe and found themselves enthralled yet again by Europe's profound wine culture. After all, it's Europe that gave the rest of us not just vines, but also a vocabulary ("terroir," anyone?) and an array of benchmark wines that still stand today. Credit where it's due and all that.

Nevertheless, the question of whether European wines remain superior still lurks among wine lovers, even those whose fidelity is firmly attached to their local production, be it Californian, Australian, Chilean, whatever. Everywhere, there's always the nagging question, "Do we measure up?"

So while I sat in that Salzburg café, I started to tot up possible categories, the better to measure—like a baseball fan weighing the individual merits of one champion team compared with another—whether European wines remain superior. And if so, where do they excel? And if not, where do they lag? For example:

Variety. This was the first category that came to mind, if only because the answer is so easily at hand: European wines are vastly superior when it comes to sheer variety. How could they not be? After all, Europe has been at the wine game for thousands of years. They developed innumerable strains of Vitis vinifera. They've had equally innumerable highly localized cultures, which, in turn, created individualized wines. Why, Italy alone dwarfs the rest of the world combined when it comes to grape varieties. If it's sheer wine variety that you seek, you can't beat Europe.

Originality. Now, here you'd think that Europe, again, would be the hands-down winner. Not so fast. True, on a crude by-the-numbers accounting, European wines would win on originality if only because of variety (see above). But if you allow a handicap—hey, they do it in golf, so why not wine?—you'll see that non-European contenders are definitely in the game when it comes to originality.

In Australia, for example, you've got utterly original Shirazes, dry Rieslings and Sémillons, to name but three. New Zealand came up with a Sauvignon Blanc that took the world by storm with its—you guessed it—originality. Argentina's Malbecs are like no others anywhere. Compared with those of Argentina, French Malbecs take a distant second place.

California for its part has a slew of originals, starting with Zinfandel and then broadening to an array of Cabernet Sauvignons that have consistently, even boringly, been deemed indistinguishable—even superior—to the best of Bordeaux. And today, most improbably of all, California now delivers profound, world-beating originality with Pinot Noir. Twenty years ago nobody—and certainly not California winegrowers—would have thought such an assertion possible or even plausible against the glory of Burgundy. Yet today it's a fact. Full stop. Ditto, I might note, for California Syrah compared to the benchmark Rhône originals.

The list can be extended to many other locales (Washington, Oregon, Ontario, British Columbia, Chile), but you get the picture.

Yes, European wines win on originality, thanks to their edge in sheer variety. But the gap is not as great as Eurocentrics might imagine.

Technical prowess. This is where the likes of California and Australia simply crush the European competition. While today's European winegrowers are hardly slouches when it comes to technical competence, Europe's centuries-old traditions have been a drag on technical prowess until very recently.

Many of the technical innovations now considered essential or desirable to fine winemaking everywhere, such as temperature-controlled stainless steel tanks and drip irrigation, were either pioneered in California and Australia or demonstrated on a larger scale in those two places. Higher-tech devices such as reverse osmosis machines, spinning cones and vacuum concentrators were similarly non-European either in origin or initial use.

Even the widespread employment of small new oak barrels, which are indisputably European, saw a dramatic shot in the arm because of California. Prior to the 1980s, French wine producers only rarely, and grudgingly, bought new oak barrels. Italian wine producers never used them at all. Angelo Gaja blazed the trail in Barbaresco and has repeatedly said that it was California, not France, that inspired his embrace of new French oak barrels.

Until the 1990s, only Germany among European winegrowing countries could be said to be in the vanguard of technical prowess, thanks to German proficiency with technologies such as filtration systems, bottling lines, centrifuges and the like.

Even today, technical prowess lags in certain parts of Europe. Southern Italy, for example, has only recently improved its game compared with the more progressive northern Italian producers. Greece and Spain are relatively new arrivals to widespread technical prowess. And I recently participated in a judging panel where a dismaying number of red wines from Hungary proved technically inadequate.

Finesse. This is a rather personal category, both in the sense that it's hard, perhaps impossible, to prove finesse, as well as in the sense that it's an attribute that I value disproportionately.

Do European wines have more finesse? Yup, they do. Not universally, of course. And not everywhere, including places that once were praised for that very quality, such as Bordeaux. Too many modern-day red Bordeaux are now as lumpy and flabby as Saturday shoppers at the mall.

In the Ouija board business of choosing a wine (which way will your hand go?), I find that when I reach for a European wine, it's because I'm looking for finesse. For example, I love California Pinot Noirs and have praised them repeatedly. But red Burgundies collectively still win on finesse (Oregon Pinot Noir admirably comes in second, by the way).

Finesse is a tricky business, I grant you. Sometimes it's a function of sheer lightness (I love Austrian reds because of this element); sometimes it's a matter of apparent acidity. Big wines no matter where they come from usually lack finesse. I can't recall the last time I celebrated an Italian Recioto della Valpolicella Amarone because of its finesse.

Vocabulary. My life's work is writing, so you'll have to forgive me for creating this category. But I believe deeply that there is such a thing as what academics call "linguistic determinism," i.e., that language shapes thought. To name a thing is to make it real. Words really do matter.

Until recently, the vocabulary of fine wine was exclusively European, most specifically French. (The language of beer is German; that of music, Italian). Twenty years ago I would have declared without a moment's hesitation that European wines had a lock on the vocabulary of fine wine.

Today, I'd declare it a draw. Imperceptibly, even amazingly, the power of vocabulary has increasingly shifted away from Europe. Partly, this reflects the dominance of English among educated people almost everywhere. (An Austrian friend who travels the world said to me matter-of-factly, "German is now just a dialect, compared to English.")

But it's not just a matter of language choice. Most of the discussion of fine wine today is now expressed in English, in part because it's now the universal language of science (previously it was German). But it's also because fashion is now largely English language-driven, thanks to movies, music and international media companies.

Above all, many of the changes in wine today—both for better and worse—are either generated in places such as the United States or Australia or are amplified by the marketing power of these cultures. Today, the vocabulary of fine wine is no longer dominated by Europe.

So are European wines superior? Do you think they win on all the counts cited above? Are there yet other elements that you would consider? What do you reach for—and above all, why?

Member comments   26 comment(s)

BERNARD KRUITHOF — San Antonio, Texas —  June 7, 2011 1:32pm ET

New world wines (non European) have more overall flavor than old world wines and like a restaurant whose food has more overall depth character and flavor, tends to attract a more overall discerning, experienced and sophistocated customer.
Technology has allowed California and Austrailia to be at the forefront of wines with the most flavor and bang for the buck. However I don't beleive there will ever be (and I hope I'm wrong) a truly comparable equivalent experience of drinking a truly well cellared great Burgundy from France.
It's been said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder however its not always true because it always depends on the beholders ignorance, taste and experience. Thank you for your article it provides great enlightenment for many of us I'm sure


D Fredman — Malibu, CA, USA —  June 7, 2011 1:51pm ET

I prefer to think of European wines as being different, rather than superior to what we produce in the USA. Most of the wine I drink is consumed with food and much of the food I enjoy is European in influence and inspiration. To drink a bottle of wine alongside a cuisine derived from ingredients available in its region is a great way to learn about and ultimately appreciate the way the whole food/wine thing comes together.

Having recently returned from a week in Austria, it was extremely apparent how the food of a particular region works hand-in hand with the wine grown there, resulting in dining experiences where the sum is greater than its parts. Such a thing is possible in a few restaurants in several wine regions in the USA (Sonoma County and the Dundee Hills come to mind) but we're still quite a distance away from achieving the food/wine focus available to wine lovers in Europe.


Chris A Elerick — Orlando, FL —  June 7, 2011 2:07pm ET

just when you would think this dead horse was beaten beyond recognition, we drag it back out for a few more whacks.


Louis Robichaux — Highland Village, Texas —  June 7, 2011 2:08pm ET

Evidently you think the WS blogs have been a little boring lately and needed a kick in the pants.

So, your question is "are European wines superior"? If so, consideration of vocabulary is irrelevant. If your question was "is European wine culture superior"' then vocabulary and a whole host of cultural elements would become relevant.

Consideration of the sheer number of varieties as tilting the table toward Europe is misguided. American winemakers could grow the same palate of varietals ... many would just not be good or wouldn't be accepted by the US marketplace.

To be fair, your discussion of finesse should be more properly be termed "style". From your comments, you prefer a more restrained, finesse style of wine. There are many good examples of non-European wines that exhibit such finesse and restraint. But, there is a wider style continuum among non-European producers and consumers have many options for big, bold, extracted styles, if they prefer such style. You seem to be giving the nod in this category to Europe because a much greater proportion of European wines exhibit the style that you personally happen to prefer.

If one focuses exclusively on the "wine" part of your question, then technical prowess must be heavily weighted. I agree that the New World kicks butt in this category. Full stop. U.C. Davis and hundreds of passionate, technically-minded West Coast growers and vintners have advanced the art and science of winemaking more in the past 20 years than Europeans did in the previous 100.

A category you failed to consider is how each region considers the consumer in its winemaking and wine marketing. New World regions have worked hard to make wine more approachable and consume friendly. It's an understatement to say that Europeans have not. Varietal labeling originated in the US. New World regions have taken consumer marketing to a new level. It's fair to say that European (particularly French) producers have historically considered consumers lucky to be able to purchase their hard-to-understand offerings.

Here is my parting statement ... "Hey Eurpoe, thanks for the vitas vinifera, French oak, and a few cool words like 'terroir' and 'Chateau'. Oh, and don't worry about that little phylloxera problem a few years back ... we were happy to help out. You've done pretty well with the whole wine thing, but we'll take it from here. Sure hope Asia doesn't run out of money and a taste for your Bordeaux."


James R Biddle — Dayton, OH —  June 7, 2011 2:40pm ET

I agree that language forms a type of "linguistic determinism;" I also believe that culture forms a broader form of determinism. So, it's hard for me to separate wine from wine culture. I remember being at a wine dinner with one of your friends, Hubert Trimbach (whose family is, I think, in their 16th generation of running the 350+ year old winery); the first thing he told all of us was: "don't even think of drinking our wines without food; we do not makes beverages--we make a part of your meal."

By in large, new world producers think "beverage" first; that fits our culture and their wines sell.
However, since my first thought is always the culture of the table, my hand almost always reaches for the more traditional of European producers. This, of course, begs the further question of any distinctions between/among traditional and "modern" (AKA New World) European wine producers, but....................


Ivan Campos — Ottawa, Canada —  June 7, 2011 3:05pm ET

Having moved away from a North American, meat-centric diet to one more Mediterranean, I definitely favour European and cool-climate wines. And yes, the former win on vocabulary (advantage of Romance languages?), finesse, and originality (anyone make barrels from redwoods yet?)

Technical prowess is certainly a double-edged sword. I have a fond memory of churning wine in its buried clay vat at a garagist operation in Kakheti, Georgia. The rustic Saperavi wine that these folks offered would have probably made the technical team at a Chateau Montelena cringe, yet the wine was tasty and paired nicely with the local fare. When my kids grow up, they'll undoubtedly have the best wines ever made available, from a technical perspective, yet, how enjoyable will it be to visit wineries, or interesting to read about how the wine was produced through an amalgam of pin-point precise science?

I would add "gravitas" as an inexorable part of the wine experience. Call it the enduring big brother of 'hype' and 'trend,' Gravitas is something that is still dominated by the other side of the pond, carmeneres and malbecs aside. Example: one of my best wine experiences was a Cote de Nuits. I would bet that a tremendous Martinborough pinot that I had not long thereafter was technically superior, yet the gravitas that accompanied the Burgundy's appellation and price tag (three times more than the NZ pinot) have influenced my memory in its favour when comparing these past experiences.


Andrew J Walter — Sacramento, CA —  June 7, 2011 4:09pm ET

Oh come on Matt....there is no way that there can be objective (or even theoretical) proof that Old World wines are better than New World wines. of all of the myriad and complex variables that go into determining whether a wine is good (or not), the most important is the individuals palate and palate preference is infinitely complex. In my opinion, in every aspect you described above except vocabulary, new World wines are HANDS DOWN superior to old worlds in nearly every wine that I've tried. But, this is based on my palate prefernce which is shaped by where I live (raised in N Cal wine culture and I purchase most of my wines locally thus they are weighted to N CAL and other new world wines), my financial state (I drink wines predominately in the $10-40 range, $60 is a splurge and I pretty much never go over $100) and age (gen X). I am also passionate about wine and have had many from the old world (mostly France, Spain and Italy) and in this price range and to my palate-- they are predominately austere, not infrequently bretty and occasionally downright unpleasent. But, you change any one of the above variables (and really a thousand others), and a different perception can result -- thus there can be no primacy either way


William L Campbell — Winter Park, FL USA —  June 7, 2011 6:41pm ET

Geez! Ya ask a question and I guess this is where we provide our answer. "Are European wines superior?" Superior to what??? What does your own, specific mouth say? What do you like? European wines may hit your hot spot, or they may not. I think we are way beyond, with today's varied palates, getting a real accurate reading on this. Of all the wine lovers in the world, it would be interesting to see how the world-wide vote would go! Me? I like them all! Some favorites from just about everywhere. Love S. Africa! Love Austrailia/New Zealand! Some great S. American offerings. And I can't slight our own beloved country. The USA has something for EVERY palate! Let's try them ALL, then vote!!


Jeremy Matouk — Port of Spain, Trinidad —  June 7, 2011 7:37pm ET

I don't know if "better" or "superior" is the right word because individual taste is the final arbiter and that is a complicated matter. What I would say from my own experience is that having been a devoted new world fan for years I have come to prefer European wines as my taste has developed and I find myself searching for more balance and finesse as opposed to sheer flavour. It is certainly easier to understand new world varietals and that would account for their popularity among more recent wine drinkers.
New world wines, with a few exceptions such as Napa Cab and Zin, Argentine Malbec and perhaps NZ Sauv Blanc, do not as yet have a locational identity, whereas many European wines do. Nor do they have the subtlety and complexity that many (certainly not all) European wines do. Take Burgundy, Rioja, Barolo, Hermitage and even many CDR's and CDP's as examples.
In terms of sheer value for money I find there are many more bargains available in Europe than in the new world. One has to source carefully of course but whereas the new world wines were once a bargain nowadays it does not take long for good producers to up their prices once they have tasted some popularity for their wines. Napa is a case in point. I find most Napa wines horrendously overpriced and so too the better Argentine wines.
It might seem ridiculous to assert but as a wine merchant I have found much better value in Europe than in the new world. And by value I mean pleasure for the dollar.


Stuart Smith — St. Helena CA USA —  June 8, 2011 12:49am ET

Matt,

A provocative subject. Varieties, originality, technology etc. miss the point because there is no absolute when it comes to what’s best when it comes to wine. You, Laube, Parker, Galloni and myself all traveled different pathways that shaped our opinions as to what we like, and thus, what we think is superior. Having read wine reviews from at least three of you, I can say without hesitation that none of us agree on what we think is good, let along superior. We have opinions, nothing more. Do experts agree on which painter is the best, or which musician or singer is superior? I would hope that the mature view is that there are great wines from many of the best wine growing regions of the world. European wines are my standard of reference, my default position if you will, but that doesn’t mean that I think other regions of the world don’t often exceed that standard – at least from my point of view.

Stu Smith


Adam Lee — Santa Rosa, CA —  June 8, 2011 8:33am ET

Matt,

You could re-write your entire first couple of paragraphs and substitute "wine writers" for "wines" and it would be true as well. There's no doubt that 30 years ago that premier wine writers in the world were from Europe (England, primarily). That, too, seemingly has changed at least to some extent......It would be interesting to chart the movement of the two and see how they match up.

Adam Lee
Siduri Wines


William R Klapp Jr — Neive, Italy —  June 8, 2011 10:52am ET

Having watched this one get kicked around for years, I am convinced that "different" is as far as this discussion will ever go, at least unless and until global warming makes it all but impossible for "European" wines to be produced in Europe, and then it may become something of a challenge to distinguish certain New World wines from their Old World equivalents. (There have already been some Napa-esque Cabs produced in Bordeaux in the past couple of years, eh?) So I vote for settling upon "different", and then letting the Eurocentrists snicker and the New Worlders beat their chests in the privacy of their own homes, or in small groups assembled for offlines...


Winifred Moranville — U.S.A. —  June 8, 2011 1:02pm ET

I like European wines for all the reason you mention, but also because of their (mostly) sane alcohol contents. I love being able to split a bottle with my husband....and getting a gentle lift rather than thudding buzz.

Yes, I know Euro wines are creeping up there in alcohol content, too...but there's something about most of them that just make me feel better.


Joseph Kane — Austin —  June 8, 2011 2:01pm ET

Cheers Louis!

My first question, Matt, is "superior" how? Technical proficiency, style, etc. are interesting angles, but are they wholly applicable? Isn't this the "who is the best NFL player of all time?" question? Don't you have to compare things that are completely different? A barolo v. Cali syrah is a battle between totally different beasts. To truly compare performance, just compare Eurpean varietals against their counterparts in non-European countries.

For example, I compared US Syrah to Rhone Syrah, US Pinot to Burgundy, US Bordeaux varietals to their Bordeaux counterparts (I excluded the Loire), and US Chard to White Burgundy (including Chablis). United States producers make significant amounts of each of the above, and the number of producers here and there are probably fairly similar (at a high quality level, anyway). To see who is the best, I ran advanced searches for "Classic" scoring wines. My results are in more detail below.

According to an advanced search on Wine Spectator, an analysis of the 2006-2008 vintages shows that 25 classic scoring syrah came out of California, while only 11 came out of Northern Rhone. Moreover, of the nothern rhones, 9 were released at prices in excess of $200.

I ran similar searches on Burgundy v. US Pinot Noir. From 2006-2008 23 pinot noir at or above 95 points were produced in California. Another 4 pinot noir with classic ratings came out of Oregon during that same time. Only 4 of the US wines cost more than $100. I ran a similar search for Burgundy. 17 wines were produced with scores at or above 95. Of those, 0 cost less than $150, 3 cost less than $240, and 11 cost more than $350. I avoided the inclusion of the 2005 vintage of burgundy because it would create an unfair representation of quality. 2005 Burgundy was a vintage of a lifetime, and no such vintage is comparable for US Pinot Noir (in my opinion) within a very near time period.

Examining the same vintages for Chardonnay shows that the US produced 20 classics, while France produced 27. The table tilts! But wait, look at the cost and production levels...tiny production, and of 27 classics, only 4 are cheaper than $100. And that is brutally misleading, considering that all of those are from Chablis. If you want Cote burgs, you are stuck with $200-4 figure wines. Only 4 of the 20 US wines cost more than $100.

I suppose the true test is Cabernet Sauvignon v. Bordeaux. The age old battle. But, they are so totally different beasts, that they shouldn't be compared. Lets try it anyway using the same vintages, but adding US Cab Franc and Merlot to really get a good look at the quality of US bordeaux varietals.

There are 91 US wines with classic ratings made from Merlot, Cab Franc, or Cab, or bordeaux blends. Some of those are $40-60. There are 8 classic wines from Bordeaux listed from the 2006-2008 vintages. Admittedly, the US vintages encompass the strong 2007 vintage, and the French vintages are generally below "best." I wanted to avoid that for Burgundy, and made amends here. I expanded the search to include the prodigious 2005 vintage for Bordeaux only. I did not similarly expand the search for the US. Why? To prove a point. Expanding the search for Bordaeux added an additional 43 wines, raising France's classics to a grand total of 51 in four vintages v. 91 for the US in three vintages.

While surely an argument can be made that Alsatian pinot gris and rieslings, German rieslings, Sauternes, Spanish tempranillo, Italian Sangiovese and Nebbiolo, and French grenache may be tops internationally, varietals heavily grown in the United States consistently outperform their European counterparts.

The key, to me, is the apples to apples comparisons. If you want to say who outperforms whom, create a level playing field. As illustrated above, the United States repeatedly fells its Euoropean counterpart in quality comparisons...according to your employer. Even when comparing great vintage to great vintage (2007 Napa v. 2005 Bordeaux) the number of classic wines produced in the United States trumps its European counterpart.

Style, technology, finesse, and all that other jargon aside, the points evidence quality. The prices evidence value. If you look at quality and value, the United States crushes France, its main European counterpart, varietally speaking.

An argument can be made that US wines focus on single vineyard productions, and that, as such, what would amount to one Chateau in Bordeaux actually results in 17 different wines (see Nickel & Nickel). However, that is no different than Burgundy. In Bordeaux, there are also thousands of producers stacked nearly on top of each other. So, I do not think that regional difference largely affected the outcome.

Finally, even if it did, it should not be used as evidence of a lack of outperformance. Mr. Kramer, if my recollection is correct, you are one of the staunchest defenders of Terroir and "place." As such, you should commend US producers for their efforts to create single vineyard wines, and use that movement as additional evidence of superiority.


David A Zajac — Akron, OH —  June 8, 2011 4:05pm ET

Joseph, interesting but totally meaningless comparison, first, you need to compare percentages of wines, not number of wines that are scoring in the ranges you are presenting. Secondly, and even more importantly, the reviewers assigning the scores are different. You can't calibrate raw scores from one critic to another as the scoring system, even in a 100 point formula, is totally different. As proof, look at the scores assigned to Italian wines before and after the change in reviewers at WS - does that mean that all Italian wines are inherently less interesting now than they were a year ago? No, the scores dropped because the reviewers do not agree on what a "95" rating means.


Tom J Wilson — Canada —  June 8, 2011 4:13pm ET

@Louis;
Right on !

Evidently you think the WS blogs have been a little boring lately and needed a kick in the pants.

So, your question is "are European wines superior"? If so, consideration of vocabulary is irrelevant. If your question was "is European wine culture superior"' then vocabulary and a whole host of cultural elements would become relevant.


David Rapoport — CA —  June 8, 2011 9:33pm ET

With all due respect, Mr Kramer, this sort of discussion is sillly and unproductive. What possible use does positing a competition serve? Such discourse seems to play into the wheelhouse of Parr, Asimov et al who, though thin veils, like to suggest that those who enjoy 'new world' wines really dont know what they're talking about and lack sophistication. Drink whatever the bloody hell you like and leave the competition for the sports arena


Mace D Howell Iii — fremont,ca,usa —  June 9, 2011 12:07pm ET

Matt

Is it not true that Napa Cabernet is now the leader in terms of style. It seems almost all other medium to full bodied wines in the rest of the world are more influenced by Napa Cabernet than anything else. I believe Jim laube said this in one of the cabernet issues. I really do not care, but you have to admit that influence in style would have to be an important criteria for judging which is better.


Dennis D Bishop — Shelby Twp., MI, USA —  June 9, 2011 12:16pm ET

Matt you ask... "Do you think they (European wines) win on all the counts cited above? Are there yet other elements that you would consider? What do you reach for—and above all, why?
Well, I agree, your logic is impeccable based upon what you feel is most important to judge. But your execution is flawed because there are more important considerations in this debate.
First, however, I disagree that we are kicking a dead horse and this is all a waste of time. Just as I still enjoy a vigorous discussion of Gale Sayers vs. Barry Sanders vs. Jim Brown or Ted Williams vs. Joe DiMaggio, the "best wine region" is worthy of debate.
My personal, most important consideration is simple. I go for VALUE. (Alas, this typically eliminates California and France) However, when I consider wines from Spain and Italy vs. Washington and Oregon vs. Argentina and Chile vs. Australia and New Zeeland; of those regions, my vote for best value goes to Argentina/Chile - SOUTH AMERICA. This region knows how to produce some fantastic quality at very affordable prices.
When price matters, you have to consider value.
Dennis Bishop


Matt Kramer — Portland, OR —  June 9, 2011 12:53pm ET

Folks,

Many thanks for your varied--and thoughtful--comments. Allow me, if I may, to amplify some of my observations with respect to some of your own.

As to the plausibility of the question "Are European Wines Superior?", obviously I think it's very much a viable question. I have to beg to differ with those who feel that it's either outmoded or unnecessary.

Everywhere I go where wine is a matter of intense attention--and in the past six months I've been in Australia, Hungary, Singapore, Austria and California--I meet wine lovers and wine producers who are constantly comparing what they're drinking or producing against established European benchmarks. Producers do it to see how well (or badly) their own wines compare. Wine lovers do it to see how well (or badly) their preferred purchases stack up.

In Austria, for example, I was at the home of a wine lover who served blind a 1997 Tignanello (which is 85% Sangiovese and 15% Cabernet Sauvignon and Cabernet Franc) against a 1990 Shafer Hillside Select Cabernet. He asked the table one question: "Which wine is the New World and which is the Old?"

(I got it wrong, by the way. The riper of the two wines was the 1997 Tignanello--an unusually warm vintage in Tuscany--which, natch, I assumed signaled a California Cabernet. Big mistake. Never copy from me in a blind tasting exam!)

Those who believe that European wines are either irrelevant or that it's "game over" because of their own private satisfaction with their local production, are deluding themselves. If only because of the sheer scale and variety of their production--never mind history or continuity--European wines both command and deserve our continuing attention.

This is not to say, mind you, that just because a wine is European it's intrinsically superior. We all know too many wines, from too many places, that put the lie to that sort of "If it's European it must be better" smugness. But it's equally smug to say "game over". I know of no good wine producer who thinks anything of the sort, never mind their location.


Many thanks for all of your comments.


Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world —  June 9, 2011 1:03pm ET

Neither is superior.


Joseph Kane — Austin —  June 10, 2011 4:08pm ET

I think that Jonathan Lawrence hit the nail on the head.

They are not superior...they are different.

I think that is highlighted by your blind tasting scenario Matt. Even in the blind tasting you attributed characteristics to wine based on your individual perceptions and stereotypes. Deeming a wine superior over another can lead the the same type of mess.

As to David Zajac, the comparison is not entirely meaningless, and percentage of quality wine should not be a factor. The simple question was "are european wines superior." There was no question about which continent produces the highest percentage of wines with X rating. If we are simply looking at superiority, i.e., who is the BEST, then lets look at who makes the most wines that rate the highest. You can come to the states and get more wines with classic scores of the same varietal. It's like the olympics. Put all of the stars against each other, and don't worry about how many decent players could have been fielded.

The reason I cited to WS scores is that, presumably, all of that participating tasters are professionals, have great palates, and are very experienced with typicity, quality, and blind tasting their respective assigned varietals. While there is no way to create a perfect means for comparison, my analysis at least sheds some light on the situation.


Cody Phipps — Bologna, Italy —  June 12, 2011 9:43am ET

It has been really interesting reading through the various comments. I've lived in Bologna for the past three years and knew very little about wine in general before moving here.

I'm moving back to the States in August and very much look forward to learning about and trying "New-World" wines. Obviously, I'm partial to Italian wines as they will always be my first love, but am excited to discover the wines of the U.S., Chile, Argentina, etc..

There is an enoteca here in Bologna that has served as my school and the proprietor always reminds me that there are very few bad wines... what is bad for one man is well received by another. Seems like that holds true here.

I'm a newbie, so maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about, but it seems that specific categories, in relation to wine, can be fairly determinate. For instance, while I don't know much, I do know that I will miss more than anything the over-whelming variety that is available here in Italy. But in a more general setting, defining regional wines as different is better suited.

Also I must thank Mr. Kramer for his book "Making Sense of Italian Wines". It is what opened the door for me three years ago to this wonderful topic we call wine.


Stephen Sullivan — Santa Monica,CA —  June 13, 2011 3:36am ET

European verses New World wines is as complex as comparing cultures, politics and women. It depends on who is tasting what and with what particular food.

Personally, I see wine as part of my meal. If my meal is high end Italian then a beautiful Tuscan or Brunello is the best wine made. If I'm enjoying a grilled fillet w a baked potato then a 10 year old gorgeous Napa Cab is the best wine. Which is greater? I clearly depends on a wide range of variables, primarily what is making my palate happy!

I can agree w one previous comment reg European wines that price point is a factor. While Napa attempted to price itself much too high, I feel that it has dropped down to a more reasonable level and for $50-75, I can find tremendous satisfaction in both Napa Cabs and Chards/ SB. As I read previously, many of the European wines in that range are austere, Bretty and unstable. The degree of bottle variation in some of my favorite Italian wines is incredible.

If I have 6 to take with me to an Island,and under $100, 4 will be US.


Terence Hughes — New Yok, NY, USA —  June 14, 2011 6:16pm ET

Interesting essay, Mr. Kramer. My primary wine allegiance has always been to Europe -- France, then Italy, for the most part -- although since I began studying and seriously tasting wine, over 40 years ago, a host of regions have either vastly improved their product or come from absolutely nowhere (New Zealand being but one example).

I import Italian wines now, and I settled on Italy because I learned and have loved the language for 50 years, ditto the culture (pre-Berlusconi anyway), and the food. In my mind the marriage of French wines and la cuisine, Italian wines and la cucina are absolutely indissoluble. This happy marriage sets these two countries apart and above, generally speaking. Frankly, everything we find so wonderful today seems like a riff on these two great European wine-food cultures.


Gillian Kearvell — Ajijic, Jalisco, Mexico —  June 14, 2011 6:29pm ET

I've always been amazed at the quality and low price of house wines in Europe, especially in France, Italy, and Spain. There seems to be no equivelent in the US. The "house wines" are usually plonk and the "by the glass" wines are over-priced. Why can you get a decent carafe of house wine in Europe and not the US?


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