
Back in the day, as the saying goes, when we entertained at home we were all oppressed by "the rules." Books and magazine articles with titles like "The Rules of Good Hostmanship" or "What Every Hostess Needs To Know" abounded. Sure, it all seems harmlessly quaint now. But believe me that up to the 1970s this sort of thing was taken very seriously.
Today, the formality and etiquette once both studied and applied are long gone. But whether we care to acknowledge it or not, there's still a choreography in the dance between host and guest. It says something about our times (to say nothing of how times have changed) that this dance extends to wine. An impressive number of hosts and guests are now wine-centric.
Indeed, for many, wine is as much the focal point of the meal as the food, to say nothing of its being the subject of much—sometimes too much—of the conversation. (It might amuse you to know that in places like Napa and Sonoma, conversations at dinner parties only rarely touch on wine. Instead, the topic is usually the wine business.)
This summer I've been more involved than usual as both a wine guest and a wine host. In the former situation, I was the guest of a colleague whom I had not seen for several years. We live on opposite coasts. But he's been to my house, and on this occasion, I was at his. It was a small dinner party.
I knew that he was not lacking in the wine department. Quite the opposite. I knew that he had a pretty good cellar, filled with mostly (now older) red Bordeaux, old Barolos and red and white Burgundies. Still, a house present was called for and somehow flowers just didn't seem right. Wine was the thing.
Now, here's a question: What wine do you bring for someone who a) knows a lot about wine and b) already has a lot of good wines? Your mileage may vary on this, but my approach is to find something fairly esoteric (relative to the recipient) and not too expensive. This latter point is not casual. Giving expensive wines as gifts can seem somehow self-glorifying—unless the gift gets the absolution of having come from your personal cellar thanks to a long-ago purchase.
Anyway, I brought two bottles, both from the Loire Valley, my favorite happy hunting ground for wonderful wines at bargain prices. For the record, I brought a magnum of Château Les Fromenteaux Muscadet Clos du Poyet Vieilles Vignes 2009 ($40) and a regular-size bottle of Domaine Gasnier Chinon Vieilles Vignes 2008 ($19).
I felt confident that my host had nothing like either of these in his cellar (he said that he didn't) and that both wines were a) exceptionally fine and b) suitably esoteric. Voilà! Wine guestmanship.
This brings up, by the way, an interesting dilemma for both guest and host: Should you, as the guest, expect your wines to be drunk that evening? And should you, as the host, be expected to revise your wine pairings to accommodate these newly arrived wines?
My own feeling is that a wine gift is just that. It should be unwrapped, but not necessarily opened. When I bring wines I always make a point of saying that this is for the cellar. If the host then wants to open the wine that evening, it's his or her choice. But the host should be off the hook.
This may be a problem if, for example, you're bringing a wine that has a personal story attached to it. That sort of thing is best told around the campfire, as it were. If that's the case, I'd call ahead first and ask if, say, a good Cabernet that you'd like to bring as a gift might work with the meal—and that it's got a tasty story attached to it, too.
And what, ahem, would you have brought?
As for wine hostmanship …
This summer seems to have brought an unusual number of wine-loving guests chez Kramer.
Here again comes the question: Which wines do you serve wine-loving guests? Obviously, much depends on the food you're serving. But it also depends equally as much on who you're serving. How much do they know, and care, about wine? How adventurous are they?
I'll tell you one thing that I never do: I never, ever, serve wines blind at a dinner party. I don't care what anybody says ("Oh, we're all professionals here," or "It's just good fun!"). Not a bit of it. Blind tasting at dinners is ungracious and often downright mean. Guests are always discomfited.
If for some reason you absolutely must serve a wine blind, then you should announce that you're going to reveal the label after everyone has tasted the wine but before anyone says a word. After you’ve unveiled it, people can say what they like—or not.
My theory about choosing wines is never to serve more than one "standout wine"—but never to serve less than one such standout wine, either. Although their impulse and generosity are admirable, some hosts can bludgeon both their guests and, oddly, their wines, by serving a relentless series of trophy bottles.
You may say, grinning broadly, "What's not to like?" I know what you mean, of course. But the odd thing about such experiences is that they're numbing. By the time you've arrived at the third, fourth, fifth or sixth such blockbuster wine of the evening (some generous hosts like to serve a pair of wines at the same time), you're exhausted. Far from refreshed, your senses are overwhelmed. It's like having fatty, rich dishes for every course.
What I like to do is purposely serve unusually good but very modestly priced wines that either build up to, or follow from, what I hope is a great bottle of wine. Perhaps they're just being polite, but people seem fascinated to taste, as an aperitif, a Spanish cava, or sparkling wine, called Torre Oria Brut non-vintage.
What makes it so interesting? It's 100 percent Macabeo, which is an indigenous Spanish white grape that's rarely used alone in Spanish sparkling wines. It's really good (which is the usual exclamation from guests). With American guests (Europeans are much more discreet), the question invariably asked is: How much is it? When I say $8, they're flabbergasted. Everyone loves a deal, you know.
One recent dinner started instead with a high-end "grower" Champagne (André Clouet Silver Brut Nature non-vintage) which was followed by a modest but exceptional Dolcetto d’Alba “San Lorenzo” 2008 from the small family producer Brezza, and then—ta-da!—the "trophy": Williams Selyem Jackass Hill Vineyard Zinfandel 1990.
I'd been saving that Zinfandel for years, and its smooth, round, fruit-intense-yet-mature richness went beautifully with a risotto enlivened with small bits of Colonel Bill Newsom's Kentucky country ham.
Dessert—baked peach halves with amaretti-chocolate filling—was accompanied by a Moscato d'Asti Sourgal from Elio Perrone. It's an ideal dessert wine, as it's low-alcohol (5 percent), slightly fizzy, and refreshing.
For this wine-loving host, such a dinner seems just right. But what about you? Have you hosted—or been guests at—a wine-centric dinner this summer? What did you serve—or bring? And did it succeed? Do you have your own rules for being a good wine guest or wine host? Or is it a lost art?
Chris A Elerick — Orlando, FL — August 17, 2010 1:52pm ET
Thomas — Austin, TX — August 17, 2010 2:09pm ET
As a guest, I'll usually bring something inexpensive to start the evening, in addition to whatever more meaningful gift I plan for the host to keep for later enjoyment. This relieves the "do we open it now?" pressure without conflicting with food and wine pairing plans, usually.
In both situations though, I plan some kind of backup should a wine be off balance or corked. So, as a guest I might bring a lighter wine to begin, and maybe an identical pair/vintage split of something more substantial (and modestly priced) for the host(ess) to keep. We drink the lighter wine, and they do as desired with the others. If one of my gifts is corked, they have a backup. If the starter wine is corked or a dud- we all suffer in common but they probably are pouring something to start with as well.
So- when last guesting I brought along an Ojai Bien Nacido chard for starters (corked), a J Albin Pinot, and a Goldeneye. The hosts decided to open all three that eve. and the Pinots were quite nice.
When hosting last, I opened an 05 Venica Jesera (very fine), and an 05 Venica Ronco delle Mele (excellent).
cheers-
John Kmiecik — Chicago, IL — August 17, 2010 2:12pm ET
I hand the host a bottle of Two-Buck Chuck and go right to his/her cellar and pick out something good...Is that rude??
Barry Brown — Napa — August 17, 2010 2:15pm ET
Matt:
Thanks for the article - this is always a difficult issue to deal with. Luckily, I seem to have followed in the directions you have suggested. When I am the host, I have spent a good deal of time selecting the wines to go with the various courses and I do not serve the guest's "gift" wines except on the occassions when certain friends come over who have checked with my wife (the chef de maison) and have discussed the type of wine they will be bringing to match the dinner. If I am choosing the wines - particularly for the main course, I will usually pick a wine that I know will pair well with the food and then a second that is somewhat experimental to see how it works - sometimes good and sometimes not so good, but with good friends who know that this is happening, it's always good fun - and there is a backup if the wine fails.
Again, thanks for the comments, they are very helpful.
Jennifer Frank — New York — August 17, 2010 2:23pm ET
Such a moral dilemma. Since I am in the business I feel compelled to bring something really interesting when I am invited to a wine-centric party or dinner. The quandary is that if I bring something I’m excited about I – quite selfishly – would prefer to drink it with the host and guests. This is not necessarily because I want to enjoy it, but I take pleasure in experiencing firsthand how others react to wine, especially one that I am particularly enamored with. Since I know this usually doesn’t happen and the wine ends up in the host’s wine chiller, I am more often than not resigned to bringing a wine I know is good (and likable) but that I am not so attached to.
Morewine Bishar — Del Mar, California — August 17, 2010 2:50pm ET
You bring up good points here. Having thrown away the old "restrictive" rules, we now find ourselves in the unmarked minefield of unspoken expectations and invisible slights. That's progress for you!
I had to laugh at your observation "With American guests (Europeans are much more discreet), the question invariably asked is: How much is it? When I say $8, they're flabbergasted. Everyone loves a deal, you know."
This puts me in mind of one of Alexis de Tocqueville's observations on the American national character, as true now as when he made it nearly two hundred years ago.
"As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?"
Ouch! While this is true in the wine world, for a real laugh watch any episode of "The Antiques Roadshow"!
I often encounter people who own fantastic bottles of aged wine which they will not open because it it "too valuable". Meanwhile, they drink current release grocery store wines while their "valuable" wines slowly go over the hill. Do these people not see the great meteor of their own mortality rushing towards them at breakneck speed? Drink the good stuff, folks and gather ye flowers while ye may!
Sorry to rant. Good article
David Clark
Johnny Espinoza Esquivel — Wine World — August 17, 2010 5:55pm ET
I can tell two nice experiences on the wine hostmanship side, been myself a wine and cooking lover:
1. Once I did serve a Chateauneuf du Pape Clos de Castellas 2005 (nothing fancy or to be compared against most famous ChdP) with some indian and asian food. The wine been Grenache and Syrah showed wonderfully and matched the food almost perfectly. Needles to say my friends were amazed by the wine and its combination with the food.
2. Second time was a Falanghina Sannio Vesevo, a wonderful white from the Capania region. It went sublime with my saute Mushrooms with garlic and unsalted butter and Caesar salad (as the first course of a long italian style lunch). That was the last bottle I was keeping it for a good friend of mine and her husband.
On both occasions my friends were amazed by the wines specially because although they really like to drink wine, they are more on the common wines side (chardonay, cabernet, merlot). And both experiences showed them the amazing diversity of wine out there.
This is to me one of the many blessings/wonderful things that can happen around a table: Wine, Good Food and Friends sharing. . .
Phil Roberts — Palatine, IL — August 17, 2010 7:39pm ET
Great article. Where do you live and how do I get an invite? ;-)
I really like your insight about serving only one known really great wine. I believe that and will use that idea.
Sandy Fitzgerald — Centennial, CO — August 17, 2010 10:43pm ET
Great article! As the dinner host, I always decide what will and will not be served that evening. I consider all wine brought as gifts and I decide whether to open for the evening, or not. Sounds kind of brutish, but that is the only way I have found to deal with guests that bring a huge tannic young cab or malbec (expecting it to be opened) on a night that you have annouced that grilled chilean sea bass and creme brulee is going to be the meal. Wines that compliment the meal may be opened, based on need, others will not! Fairly simple. Strange how this policy offends some!
Gerald Ansel — Fullerton, Calif — August 18, 2010 12:19am ET
I have hosted several wine-centric dinner parties, and inevitably one of the guests would bring me a special bottle as a thank-you gesture. I don't recall one time where that same guest didn't tell me his or her gift was "for the cellar" (adding a wink and a smile), which thankfully let me off the hook.
Colony Wine Market — madison, ms madison — August 18, 2010 11:56am ET
When a guest, I always bring something bubbly (unless I know that the host dislikes sparkling wine - such people actually exist!), already chilled. Perfect for sipping as guests arrive. Also, a brut sparkler pairs with nearly any dish. I always ask the host(s) not to feel obligated to open the wine, but it invariably is opened.
When a host, I reassure guests that I will take care of all of the food and wine. If gift bottles show up, I might open them or not depending on what I perceive to be the expectation of the guests, the length of the party, etc.
Matt Kramer — Portland, OR — August 18, 2010 1:24pm ET
To All: Thanks so very much for all of your wonderful comments. It's interesting, isn't it, how delicately complicated it is being either a host or a guest when it comes to wine?
One thing that I did not note in my column--it slipped my mind, really-- is that sometimes I will set out three different wines and say, as persuasively and sincerely as I can, that I'd be happy to serve any or all of these wines with the main course.
Guests seem to like being able to choose between, say, an older Barolo or a Burgundy or something intriguingly new for them, like a New Zealand Pinot Noir.
This "take your pick" approach seems to be a hit with our guests.
Do any of you do this too?
Peter Mc Kenna — Cincinnati, OH — August 18, 2010 2:26pm ET
I agree with serving one trophy wine since the more consumed the less the senses discriminate. I often start with an upscale white before switching to reds and the trophy wine.
With many small wineries, I try to find tasty yet relatively inexpensive wines ($20) and buy a case of red and one of white. As a guest I take one or two of these to those I don't know well. I'll take something special to my friends' house because I know their taste and they appreciate it.
Jake Schwietering — Minneapolis — August 18, 2010 2:50pm ET
Is it rude to ask a host how much the bottle costs that we are consuming?
As Host of the wine, should I be annoyed that someone doesnt ask me how much the wine costs so I can either.... show my savvy ability to find excellent wines for cheap,
or show them that hey, I opened an $80 bottle of wine for you, you had better appreciate it, and love me!
Matt Kramer — Portland, OR — August 18, 2010 3:13pm ET
Mr. Schwietering: You ask: "Is it rude to ask a host how much the bottle costs that we are consuming?"
This is a good question. In fact I received a private e-mail from a colleague who wondered the same thing. My colleague wrote:
"I can't imagine (OK, I could, but barely) someone asking how much something cost. You're right that no one would do it in Europe but I can't remember the last time anyone asked how much something cost at the dinner table, even when I was a guest elsewhere. I would simply never do it, even if I was curious to know."
I should have explained in my column the unusual situation chez Kramer which, I think, accounts for the willingness of my guests to ask the price. Many of our guests know that I write a newspaper column recommending wines. I often say, "I recommended this recently in the Oregonian." That, in turn, invites a (legitimate) question about price.
Coming back to your own question--"Is it rude to ask how much a bottle costs?"-- I think that much depends, as I describe above, on the context.
For example, if the host says, "This wine is a great value," then it seems appropriate to ask the price. After all, the host himself or herself brought up the matter of price by mentioning value.
Also, there are discreet ways of asking about the price, such as, "I really like this. Is it still available and is it something I should consider buying by the case?" Here, the host can say that while the wine is available, it's not something that most folks pick up in case lots. Such a reply sends a signal and tells the story. It's then up to the host to decide if he or she wishes to get more price-specific.
Not least, there's the matter of your relationship with the guests. If they're close friends from whom you have few secrets, then this intimacy allows the exclamation, "This is great stuff, George! How much was it?"
Bottom line (if you'll forgive the expression): Talking about money is always sensitive. Americans tend to be more open about money and Europeans more closed. But so much depends upon the particular guests and, equally, the particular moment.
Thomas Matthews — New York City — August 18, 2010 3:47pm ET
On disclosing prices: I agree it's a sensitive matter, and I would never ask the price of the wines someone chose to serve to me. But when I serve a wine, I always note the price. I think that's as relevant to evaluation as the appellation or vintage. And I am always curious to know whether my guests think the bottle is worth the money.
Anatoli Levine — Stamford, CT — August 18, 2010 10:06pm ET
Thanks for the great article - I can relate to it dearly. I always have a hard time arriving to a decision while on both sides of the equation. As a guest, I'm usually bringing 2 bottles of wine, without much consent to the food which will be served. As a host, I usually think about variety and progression ( starting from sparkling / light white, heavier whites, lighter red, heavier red and dessert/port). I fully agree that bringing out multiple "umph" bottles makes very little sense, as your palate really gets tired to appreciate greatness.
Regarding the bottles which guests are bringing: I would always open them, except when I think the wine would benefit from aging (it would be a case of CdP '07 brought in right now), then I would ask the giver if he/she will be okay with the fact that we will drink the wine at a later occasion.
Regarding wine prices: in a circle of very close friends, I think it is an okay question - for all other circumstances it is not, and such a question should be referred to wine-searcher :)
Lastly, blind tastings can be fun, but only in very specific cases. We have a small group of friends with whom we started something called "wine dinners", where wine is even more important than food. At last dinner we did a flight ( 6 different kinds) of Pinot Noir tasting, fully blind - it was a real fun trying to identify the source of each wine and then looking at the actual bottles (I have full report in my blog at talk-a-vino.com). For the regular dinner party, blind tasting would make no sense at all.
Adam Harris — Dix Hills, New York — August 19, 2010 3:40pm ET
I too have always felt that a bottle of wine was a gift and could be opened or not at the discretion of the host. But, when I'm the guest, I let the host know they don't have to open it and when I'm the host, I simply say "thanks, but I've already selected a wine to go with dinner."
As to the number of wines to serve, I too agree that you shouldn't overwhelm the guest's palate. My last dinner party a couple of weeks ago, which we called "Lobster Under the Stars," started with simple whites and sangria during cocktail hour. Then, for the lobster, I opened two bottles of Bouchard 2004 Corton-Charlemagne. (Can't beat lobster & Corton-Charlemagne.)
Oh, Matt, as to "take your pick," I've done that many times. I also usually select 3 wines that will all go equally well with the main course, but have unique differences (e.g. 1997 California Cabernet as opposed to 1995 Bordeaux). It lets the guests have the fun choosing.
Walt Rooney — Seattle, Washington — August 19, 2010 6:12pm ET
Matt,
Thanks for the informative thread. What has always interested me about wine etiquette is that it is a reflection of people's manners (and character) as a whole.
The wine is a simple rorschach test to bring out people's personalities - but more importantly - their mood. I can gauge the temperature of the evening by reactions to the bottles I provide. The person who continues to insist my choice is flawed, simple, and my favorite "too sweet" for a dry wine is a laugher. I'll talk to someone else, thank you very much. The person who brings their 'nice bottle' and hoards 4 glasses of it is another great one.
One last thing, my response to 'how much did it cost?' is "I can't exactly remember but it tastes expensive". That one works everytime - even for wine that is "too sweet".
Charles Clarke — Dallas, TX 75205 — August 19, 2010 11:49pm ET
Do you ever worry about getting your guests a little to drunk to enjoy the top wine? I always hesitate to serve the best wine as the 3rd wine or later. Is that overkill? I just worry that, especially for women, the third or forth glass mind be tasted with a numb palate. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Matt Kramer — Portland, OR — August 20, 2010 11:15am ET
Mr. Clarke: You ask "Do you ever worry about getting your guests a little too drunk to enjoy the top wine?" You worry that, "especially for women, the third or forth glass might be tasted with a numb palate."
While I certainly appreciate your concerns on this matter, I'm more concerned about how my guests are getting home that evening than with their palate condition when we get to what I hope is the "tah-dah!" wine of the evening. (Usually they're either houseguests spending the night with us or they're taking a cab home; sometimes one of the spouses drinks less than the other.)
Anyway, I'm not concerned about whether anyone's palate is "numb". Typically, we will have gone through just two wines before the tah-dah moment: a sparkling wine and a modest white or red with the first course. Are they drunk by then? Hardly.
First, they've been eating, which slows the absorption of alcohol. Second, a decent amount of time has already past, as no one is in any hurry (I hope) to see the meal conclude.
This combination of food + time serves to put guests in just the right relaxed (but far from stuporous) state to not merely appreciate but enjoy the hoped-for wine highlight of the evening.
Allow me to add that, when it comes to holding their wine, an awful lot of women are the equal or superior to many, if not most, men. While there is certainly an element of body mass involved in alcohol capacity, most wine-drinking women of my acquaintance can more than hold their own with any man I know--and, suspiciously, even more so if I'm serving a grand cru Burgundy!
William Odom — Washington State — August 20, 2010 12:54pm ET
Matt,
Great piece as usual. If you would enjoy a fun read on the historical context of hosting parties pick up Esquire Magazine's book : Esquire Drink Book 1956 Library of Congress # 56-8772. It goes into great depth about the past formalities of hosting all forms of social gatherings. It even offers cures for hangovers. Some passages are quite hilarious.
Jeff Loomans — San Francisco, California — August 20, 2010 8:32pm ET
Matt,
Spot on commentary. I was bemused to see just how many hard-won-over-the-years lessons - both about being a wine host and a wine guest - were covered so aptly and succintly. Only wish you had written this, say, 10 years ago; it sure would have saved me some pain!
With that said we had one summer experience recently that does somewhat contravene your "no blind tasting rule"; which, I hasten to add, I otherwise agree with in every other case. We invited friends over, expressly noting that during the (very relaxed summer afternoon) brunch we wanted them to help us "taste test" three 2008 Grand Cru Chablis from the same vineyard. I said I'd tried them and thought they were all so good I just couldn't pick, and wanted smarter heads than mine to weigh in, so I could decide which to buy a full case of for future social occasions. No numerical rankings, nothing written down, and absolutely no spitting - and as soon as we'd gotten a few first spontaneous impressions, we pulled the labels and then dove back into drinking. William Fevre Les Clos 08, Jean-Marc Brocard Les Clos 08, and Christian Moreau Les Clos 08; wines, having since checked the Spectator reviews, that really are very comparable in quality. Turns out we agreed we liked the Moreau slightly better, but we definitely agreed all were so good we needed at *least* two or three more rounds of testing that afternoon, and that we should probably just finish all three bottles. Which we did.
It was a fun event probably precisely because it overtly eliminated all the reasons I find dinner party blind tasting presumptious: no worry about having to ferret out what the host or others implicitly thought was the "best" wine, no pressure to come up with fancy taste adjectives, no "trickery" since all the wines were same year/same vineyard, and all of it cast more as fun advice to the host than as some sort of officious rating excercise. And of course, it was more about drinking several good wines with a good meal and good friends than it was about the tasting; which to all of us is the most important reason to drink wine in the first place.
At the risk of this post running on far too long, I have one more simple rule to offer, at least for those with spouses or significant others: when my wife says "Um, honey... you're not *really* bringing/serving that?" - then I immediately disregard all other rules.
Which, by the way, I find works for all other questions of social etiquette as well.
Richard Robertson — Charleston, SC — August 20, 2010 9:20pm ET
Wonderful topic. I think it is important to know your guests. When I have my "wino" friends over everyone knows that anything is fair game except for a few bottles, unless I have over indulged then they may be fair game as well.
I typically start with a nice white or champagne to get the night started but I think it is important to know your audience as a number of folks look at this as serving bottled water. They want the big boys or something truly unique and red, and so they are available (3-5 bottles pre-selected). There is also a dessert pairing but things can change based upon what the winos bring, we may skip dessert altogether and make a trip through the wine wonderland and let folks pick an intriguing bottle. It does not bother me if someone asks the price and I typically share the purchase price and the current price (auction, etc.) as they are all collectors or soon to be collectors. One of the funnest parts of the night is throwing in the incredible cheaper bottle that noone has ever heard of and compare it to more expensive wines.
Now for the non-wino crowd the enjoyment is finding the value bottles that are difficult to find or varietals or regions that they have never tried. Love the responses and the ongoing discussion.
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i rarely show up as a guest to someone's home without a bottle (or 2) of wine in tow. that said, most invitations i receive are relatively intimate gatherings among people on limited budgets, so we all chip in a bottle that we expect to consume over the course of the evening. i almost always call ahead to find out the fare for the evening, weigh that against my knowledge of the hosts' and/or other guests' preferences, and choose a bottle accordingly.
as the host, i encourage guests to bring food with them rather than wine, so i can control the wine aspect. but if they insist, i tell them what we're serving and they can pick something accordingly, or ask them to bring something they enjoy. i always open what my guests bring, unless they insist otherwise. but nobody in my circle of friends is as passionate as i am about wine, so they usually leave the wine choice to me.