harvey steiman at large

Tasting Notes: Too Pretentious for Words?

And other issues about tasting wines fairly and well
Posted: Aug 30, 2012 2:05pm ET

Back in the tasting room after a hiatus of several weeks, I am wrestling with whether my approach to tasting notes helps readers or makes wine seem too la-di-da for them.

Some fairly well-known wine writers have weighed in on the subject recently, the general thrust of their criticism being that it’s a fool’s errand to try to paint a detailed picture of a wine. Specific descriptors only turn off potential wine drinkers.

So where does that leave me as I face a row of 20 Washington Cabernet Sauvignon blends? The way I see it, readers want me to sort the wines out for them, to describe them well enough to understand what makes one better than another. You need enough information to decide if you want to buy the wine I’m reviewing. I need to differentiate them from each other.

My approach is to sketch out the general outlines of a wine—broad or narrow, fruity or savory, tart or soft—then home in on what distinguishes it. That’s usually a combination of characteristics, sometimes the level of tannins, or the quality of the tannins, from plush to gritty. Some wines feel dense, others more transparent. Does the acidity make it feel racy, or soft? Is the wine mouthfilling or delicate?

But often it’s a distinctive flavor profile. In the Cab blends this week, some showed typical black cherry fruit, others more currant or plum. Some displayed more savory flavors, such as roasted meat or herbs. Others had nuances reminiscent of warm stones (the much-debated minerality). Some tasted of oak, with vanilla, clotted cream or spicy notes.

Are these specific flavor notes pretentious? I know that everyone isn't going to taste exactly the same things. We all have different sensitivites to all the elements in wine, including flavor esters. But good writing, we are taught, aims for specifics, not easy generalities. Believing that should apply to tasting notes too, I try to be specific, but I also try to keep the number of descriptors manageable. For most wines I rough out the structure in two or three words, and keep the flavor descriptors to two, three or four terms.

Some critics run much longer tasting notes than that. Trying to find the golden mean can be tricky. For me, a good wine that scores in the mid-80s may only need 10 to 15 words to give you the idea. But a score in the mid-90s, with more complexity and more detail to describe, needs to have a more complete case made for it.

And then there’s the whole issue of tasting blind. Here at Wine Spectator, we do, because we don’t want to be swayed by preconceptions. I always thought that was a given, because if I know whose wine I am tasting it’s way too easy to make my judgment fit what’s expected, rather than what is. Besides, I don’t want a label’s reputation or my personal relationships with people at the wineries I review to affect how highly I rate their wines. Blind tasting takes that element out of the equation.

What happens when a wine that ought to be fantastic comes up short? Maybe a faulty cork stripped the wine of its flavor without leaving a telltale corky character. Maybe I just whiffed on it. That’s why we always ask for two bottles. A second bottle can resolve such questions. If I suspect the bottle before its identity is revealed, it can be replaced on the spot. Otherwise, the second bottle goes into another tasting.

To be clear, reviewing wines for publication is not a parlor game where someone brings out a mystery wine and challenges everyone to identify it. In tastings we know enough about the wines to put them in context—region, grape variety, vintage. We just don’t know who made them or whether we’re tasting a $6 bottle or a $100 bottle. I can always add a phrase or sentence to put the wine in context if it’s better or worse than expected. But first the judgment of how good it is gets locked in.

A good tasting note should serve the reader with a concise but thorough description, colorful if the wine deserves it, the words expanding on a rating free of bias.

Member comments   30 comment(s)

Ken Heinemann — Chicago, IL —  August 30, 2012 8:05pm ET

One of the reasons people read reviews is to judge whether they'll be interested in trying what's being reviewed - be it a wine, a movie, a restaurant or whatever. Useful descriptors presented in a concise manner let the reader know if they want to try it. What makes a descriptor useful, its something they can relate to. When I read a review of something and the writer uses a lot of esoteric references, my reaction is to usually stop reading and skip the reviewed item. As you said, you have your style and approach, and when its one that is approachable and understandable and consistent, it can be a standard of comparison. Our tastes may align on some styles and diverge on others, but by reading, tasting and comparing, I know where we align and diverge, and can say "Harvey really enjoyed this Washington cab or Ozzie Shiraz, I'll give it a try" or, "he liked this riesling, maybe I'll give it a pass".

When you're publishing a review in a consumer magazine, its meant for consumption by the readers, and not an intellectual excercise. Treat your readers as intelligent consumers when you write, and they'll keep reading.


Fred Brown — Maryland —  August 30, 2012 8:23pm ET

Harvey,

From my perspective, you should continue to do exactly what you do. I know what I'll get when I buy a wine that you (or James Laube) have reviewed, and that is why I subscribe.

Thanks!


Russell Quong — Sunnyvale, CA —  August 30, 2012 10:34pm ET

For me, WS reviews are spot on in detail and coverage of the major components (flavors, aromas, body, weight, tannins and acidity). A few years ago I felt differently in that I cared most about the mouth feel, which a certain critic covers well. But by covering all the bases, the WS reviews have a more universal appeal.

Perhaps because WS reviews blind, the reviews are the most consistently objective in tone.

There are clear differences in WS reviewers. One sometimes get overly detailed with a flavor palette beyond my universe. Another clearly is very excited by qualities I do not appreciate. But I overall, I agree with most of the reviewers.

Finally, as helpful as the prose is, the score is a crucial component. I've seen 89 and 93 pointers which seem to have similar write ups, so the score is the great clarifier.


John Wilen — Texas —  August 30, 2012 11:49pm ET

The score is way more important than the words in understanding what the reviewer is trying to convey. Reviewers are human and they run out of words. Take this simple test, using three of James Laube's reviews.

"This firm, ripe, muscular wine that's tight, deep, structured, intense and concentrated, serving up a mix of ripe currant, cassis, plum, black cherry and blackberry fruit that's clean, pure, complex and layered, with touches of anise, cedar and black licorice. Ends with chewy tannins. 10,000 cases made."

"Intense and structured, starting out supple and harmonious, with ripe, fleshy currant and blackberry fruit that firms up on the finish, ending with dry, chewy tannins. 6,500 cases made."

"Intense and concentrated, with a solid tannic backbone supported by a rich core of ripe currant, blackberry and black cherry fruit. Hints of anise and plum peek through at points and the finish returns to chewy tannins. 4,522 cases made."

Not much difference, eh? What's the reader's takeaway? Intense and ripe, blackberry and currant, chewy tannins, right? These wines probably all taste about the same. Hardly. They don't. I've had them all.

#1 Caymus Special Selection '07 -- 96 points

#2 Frank Family Napa Cabernet '04 -- 88 points

#3 Girard Napa Valley '02 -- 86 points


Derek Olson — Chicago, IL —  August 31, 2012 11:28am ET

I agree with most everybody so far. There is no need to consider changing how you characterize wines in your reviews. I too think the score is most telling as to the overall quality of the wine and the descriptors can then be used to see if the wine has a profile to your liking- earthy, red furit/black fruit, tannin structure, balance, fruit bomb, etc. If it says there are hints of wagonberries or something I have never heard of I just skip that part, but the overall message remains.

Also one of the most important parts of the review and probably the one that takes the most expertise and experience is the drinking window.


Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  August 31, 2012 11:36am ET

Thanks for your positive comments, everyone.

John, on your three tasting notes, the one for the 96-point wine reflects great complexity and harmony. The 88 and 86 pointers seem to indicate that the tannins get in the way. Too subtle?

Derek, I'd wonder about wagon berries too. Not all of us get to taste every food reference possible. For the record, I had tasted a lot of Sauvignon Blanc before I finally nibbled on a real goose berry, but when I did I realized how many Sauvignons really do have that flavor.


Gregory Smith — Lima, Peru —  August 31, 2012 3:38pm ET

One of the most interesting things about being an American wine professional living in a Latin American country is the descriptors we tend to use differ. Two good examples are Sauvignon Blanc and Riesling. As Harvey mentioned, American tasters identify gooseberry in Sauvignon Blanc, but in South America tasters identify passionfruit. In a recent tasting of Mosel Riesling (most of the tasters' first experience with Mosel Riesling) the majority said "guanabana" and not peach. Jeannie Cho Lee has also written about this phenomenon with her Asian students.


Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  August 31, 2012 3:54pm ET

Good point, Gregory. I remember interviewing one producer in Sancerre who insisted the herbal character in Sauvignon reminded him of privet hedge. Haven't tried using that in a tasting note, though. Most people think "grassy."

I find passion fruit in a majority of Marlborough Sauvignon Blancs, gooseberry more in Loire Sauvignons and some California wines. Those are different tastes to me.

It would be interesting to know if we're sensing the same aromatic chemicals with peach and guanabana, and simply relating them to the fruits we know better.


John Wilen — Texas —  August 31, 2012 6:33pm ET

Harvey,

As for the JL reviews I shared as examples, the differences in verbiage would be too subtle if a score was not provided. But if I see 86 vs. 96 points, I immediately know the spin he is trying to put on it -- even if very similar words are used. The scores thus act as a lens. Knowing the score, I can parse the words properly and visualize the image he is trying to convey.


Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  August 31, 2012 8:11pm ET

John, thanks for that. It's exactly why we do both scores and words.


Dan Childers — Cedar Rapids, Iowa —  August 31, 2012 9:18pm ET

Harvey,
Your reviews are very helpful. Not too detailed, yet specific enough to make a wine interesting, or not! I can rarely detect all of the aroma or taste profiles you report, but find your guidance helpful in selecting wines I will enjoy.

Keep up the good work.


Greg Flanagan — Bethel CT —  August 31, 2012 10:32pm ET

Harvey-

The number one competing publication here in America can go over board with his----ummmmm i mean with their, descriptors. Its as though he-----ummmmm i mean their, goal is to impress us with word play. I say, "Park"-errrrrr that super-cerebral mumbo jumbo for Mensa.

I dont want to look up words in the dictionary/thesaurus to figure out what the heck he----ummmmm i mean they are trying to say. I do enough research as it is!!!

You guys do a great job of being thorough, on target, and to the point.

My wish list for improving the tastings at WS? (maybe not reality, but...)

1.) no spitting....drink the wine, dont just "taste"....(i know this may take too much time, but all of these items are part of a wish list)
2.) tell us wine temperature and room temperature for the WS tastings
3.) tell us time of day you tasted and what number wine (i know you guys taste lots of wine in one sitting) in the flight it was......first? Last?
4.) taste bottles from stores/wine shops....i dont believe you acquire wines like us plebs....actually, how many people do taste/drink wines as controlled as you?
5.) have more then one taster write up reviews/scores for the same wine from different bottles

Theres lots more on the list.....but these are the ones the rise to the top for me.



Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  August 31, 2012 11:18pm ET

That's a savvy list, Greg. I could write a whole blog about any one of those questions, but for a quick response:
1. No spitting? We'd never get through enough wines to fill an issue.
2. In our Napa tasting room we taste reds at cool room temp (about 65° F.) , whites at cool cellar temp (about 50°F.), sparkling wines at refrigerator temp.
3. Cognizant of potential issues with tasting order we often retaste early wines before unbagging them. Previously reviewed wines (ringers) are slipped into tastings regularly to check consistency.
4. We want to ensure that we are tasting wines that have been properly stored and shipped, so most samples come from the wineries or importers. We do buy wines if need be.
5. Although we don't want to horn in on others' tasting beats, when all of us editors get together for meetings we often taste a set of wines blind together, to see how well we are calibrated. Its amazing how consistent this team is.


John Wilen — Texas —  September 1, 2012 8:10am ET

HS, since you are revisiting tasting methodology, let me drag back an issue where there appears to be no good answer. It seems that every so often our group hates a recommended chardonnay or cabernet that's been recommended highly by WS, solely because of a bitter finish. Great nose, great taste, but the finish is a dealbreaker. We think the reason for the discrepancy is the reviewer is spitting the wine, while we are drinking it. We've even run experiments that confirmed our hypothesis: it is indeed possible that wines with a bitter finish can impress, as long as you don't swallow them.

I'm not suggesting that critics get inebriated at their tastings, which will almost certainly lead to inconsistent results. However, we have come to believe that spitting vs. swallowing can make a difference in what a typical consumer tastes.


Greg Flanagan — Bethel CT —  September 1, 2012 8:40am ET

Yes! John....nicely said.

I don't believe I am being critical of the procedure....its just that we (the subscriber/public/everday wine "joe") do not have the capabilty to taste the wines as you (are lucky enough!) do at WS.

Wineries and distributors are going to make sure you get the most secure/stable wines possible......I am not too sure that is the truth for us consumers.

Great work Harvey.....you help us understand! And carry out wonderful conversations on these blogs/strands.....Keep it up!



Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  September 1, 2012 12:02pm ET

John and Greg, I myself am extra-sensitive to bitterness. I have had the same experience, downgrading wines for bitterness that others have praised. I believe sensitivity to individual components and aromatics in wine account in large part for differences among tasters.

There is such a huge range of sensitivity to bitterness that flavor scientists use it to sort out types of tasters. Make of that what you will.


James Harrington — Ashburn, Virginia, USA —  September 3, 2012 7:39am ET

I find the WS reviews well focused and useful. My internal wine vocabulary on flavors is different than most WS reviewers, but I've tasted enough reviewed wines to calibrate my vocabulary against WS' style. A few well chosen terms from the reviewer coupled with good narrative on style tell me more than a tone poem on each variety of berry that came to mind.

I think like many I'm a wine lover on a budget, so I need a review to help me judge whether I'll like the wine's general style, how complex are the flavors, how does it represent or deviate from it's regional peers, and is it a strong choice for my limited resources.

I find the scores important but not binding. There are a number of 85 point wines that I've enjoyed more than 90 point wines. But a score that indicates a serious flaw or imbalance is important, as is a score that tells me the reviewer found something very special in the glass.


David Bricker — switzerland —  September 3, 2012 4:24pm ET

As a wine (re)seller, I usually find it helpful to read the words, because I know that certain words used in a review (regardless of score) mean a wine will/will not sell/appeal to most average drinkers. The number rating is only important (in Europe) to very dedicated, well-informed wine lovers (a tiny % of drinkers), but it is helpful as a talking point. It is most interesting to compare vocab between 3-5 well known sites; even then it is helpful to remember that professional tasters have a much better sense of taste/smell than most of us. Most of us only drink wine with food, and while WS does a good job with recipes etc, it would be great if each review would mention 2-3 foods, dishes or sauces that would match the wine.


Russell Quong — Sunnyvale, CA —  September 4, 2012 12:58am ET

This is a bit of a tangent about scores. The WS score is for the wine at its (projected) peak, right? For wines where the drink window is in the future, it would be interesting to see the score as of the tasting date, akin to "93 points. [Normal tasting notes ... ] Drink from 2015 to 2020. 90 points today."

I don't mind drinking my wines young as long as they are close to their best, which the current score would help. I do appreciate the fact that you and JL have pointed out most wines don't improve, but evolve, with age, corroborating my desire to not over age wines.

Additionally, if I want to buy a wine whose drink window is say 4 years out, I might want to open a bottle now to evaluate it, while it is still available, before buying a case. But this only makes sense if the wine is close to its peak, as I'm not experienced enough to see how a wine will develop like you are.


William Matarese — Florida, USA —  September 4, 2012 3:21pm ET

I would just like to take this opportunity to thank Harvey and the other tasting editors for making me a better wine drinker/taster. Thanks to you, I have a much better idea as to what to look for in a good wine (other than just "flavor"). Very rarely do I disagree significantly with your scores or comments. And I find that is most certainly NOT true in the case of your two major competitors.

I regularly post my own tasting notes over at Cellartracker.com (under the psuedonym "Bam_Man") and am sure that Wine Spectator readers would immediately recognize how big an influence this publication has been on how I taste and describe wines.


John Trever — Albuquerque, NM —  September 4, 2012 3:26pm ET

I generally appreciate your reviews very much, Harvey, and certainly use them as a guide to buying. Not much to improve, but I would like to see consistent references to the intensity (faint, restrained, aromatic, generous, explosive, whatever) of the aromas you and your colleagues detect, as well as the nature of the aromas. Mention of the wine's weight is also a big help when choosing something to go with dinner.
Thanks, a keep up the good work.


Howard Fisher — Dallas, Texas —  September 4, 2012 5:06pm ET

Harvey, with respect to John's three reviews, yes, I'd say the differences are a bit too subtle. Reviews often tell us the tastes and aromas, but too often leave off more descriptive words. Tell me something is "wonderfully complex" or "disappointingly simplistic"; is "pleasantly bold" or "overly bold"; has "disappointingly chewy tannins" or delightfully chewy tannins"; has "overly subdued aromas" or "overpowering aromas"; etc. Or even use a sentence at the end to summarize your thoughts, leading to the numerical score.

As an analogy, think of reviewers of a movie, which often have some type of letter or number grade also. They not only give you a brief review of what was heard or seen (another boy meets girl, loses girl, gets the girl back movie), but also whether they liked the movie, how the actors did, and why (a formulaic rom-com with little chemistry between the leads, with far better choices out there this summer). I think this approach, while perhaps taking a few more words/sentences, will give viewers a more useful picture of the wine.


Gerry Ansel — Fullerton, Calif —  September 5, 2012 6:17pm ET

Actually, I find them helpful if used correctly, but I always get second and sometimes third opinions. When planning a major purchase, I consult several sources, including Wine Spectator, the Web site of a well-known wine critic (whose last name starts with a P and ends with an R), and another site where average joes like me can post reviews. If all three are saying the same thing or something similar, there must be some truth to it.


Don Rauba — Schaumburg, IL —  September 6, 2012 7:01pm ET

I would strongly disagree with the contention: "It’s a fool’s errand to try to paint a detailed picture of a wine. Specific descriptors only turn off potential wine drinkers." As I read the other comments, it seems nearly unanimous that "more is more". I think we all know pretense when we see it. The privet hedge example is a good one because (almost) no one (here) knows what that is, or worse, tastes like. But grassiness, just the aroma of a freshly cut lawn, is meaningful to us.

As for my own preferences, I like when I can parse which words in the review indicate an element that seems out of balance: grippy tannins, angular acidity, etc. So I would urge the use of such descriptors as a way of furthee illuminating the enjoyability of the wine and the reasons for its score.


Jim Borick — Skytop, PA —  September 12, 2012 9:19pm ET

Great stuff everyone! I appreciate the education - it is through others that we really learn.

WS does a great job - not perfect, of course - but they are doing it better than anyone. Clearly the benchmark for our industry. Having spent half a lifetime in the wine business I can say two things definitively.
1. The only score that really matters is yours. and
2. Good wine is good wine.

Having said that I appreciate tasting notes - especially notes that truly describe the wine.(J.L.'s new note of crushed rock is not one of them FYI) Good tasting notes with a good score will almost never steer you wrong.

And Greg Flanagan, your list is genius! Unrealistic in our industry, but still genius.


Greg Flanagan — Bethel CT —  September 16, 2012 10:46am ET

Jim,

Like many of us out there....I think the big question is...

Are we tasting/drinking the same (exact-in every sense of the word) wine that the "tasters" are?

I do not believe so........for the vast majority of wines.


Marilyn Mathis — Dallas, Texas  —  September 16, 2012 3:56pm ET

What a wonderful discussion. Everyone has their favorite story about a wacky tasting note or one that sounded extremely pretentious. WS does a great job. If you follow a reviewer and purchase wines he is reviewing, you have a good guide, even if you don't agree with him all the time. "Ah, JL says 'X' about a 93-point Sonoma Chardonnay, so I can expect a taste like Y. I will put that on the shopping list." We recently enjoyed two different red wines that may have had some plum or blackberry, but we discovered their main taste components were stone, gravel etc. To our surprise, we found them delicious and intriguing. We joked about asphalt and concrete and kept drinking. However, when a third recommended wine touted its clay and stone flavors, we found it tasteless. Needless to say, that one was not rated by WS. As always, thanks for expanding our world.


Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  September 17, 2012 9:05am ET

>> Are we tasting/drinking the same (exact-in every sense of the word) wine that the "tasters" are? >

In the strictest sense, of course not, unless you're tasting from the same bottle on the same day at the same time. Bottles vary, especially if they're sealed with cork, but also because of shipping and other environmental factors. Wines evolve in the bottle, so my review on April 22 will reflect a somewhat different set of characteristics than your try on July 18.

Also, we each have a different set of flavor thresholds and tolerances.

All I can do is reflect the impression the wine made on me. If we can get pretty close, it should be helpful.


Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA —  September 17, 2012 9:06am ET

Marilyn, thanks for your perceptive comment. Glad to help!


Lyle Kumasaka — Arlington, VA —  September 18, 2012 12:50am ET

I find the WS reviewing team, regardless of whether I agree with individual tastes, to be more by-the-book and less flowery and esoteric than other publications. Not pretentious at all, thanks. The magazine's columnists and interview subjects, well that's sometimes another story...


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