exploring wine with tim fish

Tiptoeing Through the Minefield of Wine by the Glass

It pays to buy carefully when you don’t need the whole bottle
Posted: Apr 20, 2011 11:00am ET

Call me cheap, but I hesitate any time a single glass of wine costs more than $10 at a restaurant. Sure, I'll spend $15 or $20 for a glass, but not on a whim and not just because it's the latest love affair of the restaurant wine buyer. At that price, I need more certainty, or I'd rather just get a decent bottle and spend more.

Don't misunderstand: I think wine-by-the-glass programs are better than ever. The savviest restaurants offer a wider and more worthy selection, particularly as customers have been spending their money more carefully in recent years.

But ordering by the glass is often a minefield. All programs are not created equal, and it pays to buy carefully. Some of the pitfalls are easy to spot. If vintage dates are absent from the by-the-glass menu, that's an obvious sign the restaurant doesn't take wine seriously. Order a beer instead.

Sometimes it helps to have a little insider savvy. Let's say a by-the-glass list promotes a single winery or carries multiple varietals, but only from two or three labels. There's a good chance the restaurant has an agreement with a distributor eager to sell cases for a large client like Constellation Brands (Estancia, Blackstone, Clos du Bois) or Gallo (Ecco Domani, Barefoot, Mirassou). Such prepackaged lists can be a mixed bag of good and so-so wines.

Here are some other things to consider when ordering wine by the glass:

Do the math: The wholesale price of a bottle is typically one-third below retail. So a Chardonnay that sells for $30 in a wine shop costs restaurants and retailers about $20. The average restaurant markup is two to three times above wholesale, so that Chardonnay may sell for $40 to $60 on wine lists. That's a profit of 100 to 200 percent a bottle. However, chances are that the restaurant barely broke even on that beautiful steak you ordered, so it sort of balances out.

Easy money: The profit by the glass can be even higher than by the bottle. It's not unusual for high-end restaurants to price a single glass of wine at the wholesale cost of the entire bottle, or higher. So a glass of that same Chardonnay—you got it—would cost $20 or more. That way, the owner at least breaks even (the cost of service and glassware aside), even if the restaurant doesn't sell the rest of the bottle and has to dump it. Restaurateurs who truly appreciate wine aren't usually looking for the easy payday. They're more interested in offering an interesting selection that complements the menu. And they're more willing to work to sell by-the-glass wines so they don't need high markups to cover waste.

Is older better? Sometimes a mature wine by the glass can be a treat if it's a good producer and it's a Cabernet Sauvignon or another variety that ages well. But often it's a fast way for a winery to unload old inventory. That 2002 Côtes du Rhône for $15 a glass may sound tasty, but it was a lousy vintage that's past its prime and the restaurant got the wine for 10 bucks a bottle.

Show me the bottle: You know it's a wine-savvy restaurant when the server brings the bottle to the table and pours your glass. Is that too much to ask for $10? That way, you know it's the right wine and the vintage as billed. Otherwise you're taking their word for it when the glass arrives and, frankly, I often have my doubts.

Send it back: Be brave. If the wine stinks, ask them to open a new bottle or request something else. I've had glasses that tasted like they were opened a week ago Tuesday, or it had been stewing all day on the back bar of a toasty restaurant.

Beware the autocrats: I'm as passionate about interesting and obscure wines as the next wine geek, but it's OK to have a little familiarity in the by-the-glass list too. I'll try that glass of Tannat the sommelier recommends with dinner, but maybe I'd prefer a well-known Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc with the appetizer. Life is short, throw me a bone.

Those are just a handful of the issues. I didn't touch on service and decent glassware and any number of things.

What are the issues that bug you about wines by the glass? What have been your best by-the-glass discoveries? Are restaurants doing a good job and how can they do better?

I have the feeling that, even if you're not as cheap as I am, there's a lot of room for debate on this one.

Member comments   28 comment(s)

Kerry Powers — Indiana —  April 20, 2011 12:32pm ET

The biggest problem I encounter with restaurant wine is not the price, but the temperature. Nothing is worse than a warm cab...


Tim Mc Donald — Napa,CA —  April 20, 2011 12:34pm ET

Tim, the Tannat and the Cloudy Bay is the same direction I would have headed too. Yes - throw me a bone. I always ask the server what is the wbtg he or she likes with the menu. I often have a rose or Cava to start and rely on the somm or server. I find it easy ask for a taste so that you don't need to send it back. My pet peave is the "national brands" btg...usually a big rip. Cheers! TMcD


Ted Fuehne — Edwardsville, Illinois —  April 20, 2011 1:04pm ET

I agree with Kerry about the temperature of the wine, but I do not like ice cold chardonnay. It seems like they are trying to hide something when it that cold.You lose all the fruit.


Don Ciaramella — New York —  April 20, 2011 1:54pm ET

Had a very nice experience last Saturday at Scarpetta / NYC. For an Italian red with the meal the sommelier, after hearing about the direction our dinner party wanted to go (style and price), suggested a Casanova della Spinetta 2005 - one of their last bottles of this vintage. Good choice that our group enjoyed. The sommelier then kindly came by with a gratis glass of the '07 for comparison.

Besides the food being wonderful - a gesture that the four of will keep in mind and share with our friends.


Brian Loring — Lompoc, CA —  April 20, 2011 2:38pm ET

It seems to me that one of the major issues with wine by the glass is how to keep wine from oxidizing before the last glass is poured. If the loss incurred from oxidation were reduced, maybe pricing could come down a bit. Or better bottles would be opened since the fear of bigger losses would be removed.

The nitrogen systems used at some restaurants and wine bars works great, but it's expensive. I wonder if the time has come for some higher-end wineries to put some of their better wines in "bag in a box" containers for by the glass programs. That would seem to solve both the oxidation and cost issues. :)


Ben Bonsall — Santa Monica, CA —  April 20, 2011 3:02pm ET

Biggest issue I've found is the freshness, which you highlight. Seems like half the time I try something by the glass I get stewed tomatoes or the vinegar/bland flavors of day or two old wine, especially with more sensitive varietals like Pinot.

Only solutions I've found are to: find your trusted establishments that you know will pour fresh juice and/or go with main-line labels that will have more mass demand and shorter cycle times per bottle.

As far as price, $20/glass is painful but more than half the value of a new bottle is in trying it. If you're in Santa Monica and want wine by the glass, I'd recommend FIG, interesting selections and best bartenders in the area.


Tim Fish — Santa Rosa, CA —  April 20, 2011 3:46pm ET

Perceptive comments everyone, thanks for joining the conversation. Freshness and temperature are a major issue. Tim, I agree, it seems to me that we should always be offered a taste first. Don, thanks for the recommendation, and Brian if only there were more high-quality bag in the box wines.


Brian Loring — Lompoc, CA —  April 20, 2011 5:16pm ET

If anyone out there works for a company that produces bag in the box containers, or knows someone - I'd love to get in contact with you/them. Please email me at Brian@LoringWineCompany.com. We were out in front when it came to screwcaps... so why not bag in the box? :)


David W Voss — elkhorn, Wi —  April 20, 2011 5:39pm ET

I've given up on wine by the glass in small restaurants because of the price/freshness issue. Growing up in Wisconsin, I can have a meal at a small local place with a good beer. I have really good red wines in my cellar at home so will not suffer bad, expensive wine by the glass.


Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world —  April 20, 2011 5:40pm ET

I always get a small taste before buying; this will tell me if I want to buy a glass, and will reveal how warm the red wine is. So far I haven't been refused a taste of wine available by the glass.


Mark Lyon — Sonoma, CA; USA —  April 20, 2011 8:51pm ET

First off; I like the idea of wines by the glass. A finished bottle with 14+ alcohol for 2 is a DUI risk. Also, you can better pair your entrees and personal preferences that way. Also, a well rounded BTG list to please as many clients as possible tells me the owner is serious.

My biggest critisms are that

1. Many restaurants are trying to unload wines that they got a "deal" or its a chain restaurant and corporate headquarters made the decision. No imagination.

2. I've seen restaurants use a generic wine glass for their BTG pours. I understand the glass tumbler in paisano style dining; but good wine deserves to be in appropriately shaped stemware

3. F & B and owners need to take inventory and actually taste their opened bottles from yesterday before serving. I've seen few bottles actually have written when it was opened. Why not the Quality Control?


Eugene Kim — Houston, TX —  April 20, 2011 11:55pm ET

I had a great experience at the Capital Grill in Washington, DC. The place was packed with a lot of energy, and the wine was flowing. This probably explains why the wines BTG program had so many outstanding wines. I remembered drinking a Mondavi Reserve cab by the glass while we waited for our table. I have never seen such premium wines available by the glass at a restaurant, nor have I since.


Martin Palmer — Hong Kong —  April 21, 2011 7:29am ET

Dear Mr. Fish,

Thank You for your informative article. I come from a wine village in the Nahe region of Germany and in 2008 opened a Boutique Wine Company in Hong Kong which exclusively imports and distributes three VDP Nahe wine estates.

I go out every Friday and Saturday evening throughout HK and I feel the same way as most other guests who commented on your comment card.

All you have to do is look at the wine by the glass list and you know if the owner is serious about his/her wine choices.

Different continent same perception. We are all in this together. We as customers/guests go where the owner actually sends his staff to professional wine schools and does not mind paying top money for a professional sommeliers services.

The wine list is the exact reflection of the restaurant owners/sommeliers mentality. Either open minded or closed minded.

With greetings from Hong Kong,

Martin Palmer

www.finegermanwines.hk


Daniel Sherer — Healdsburg, CA, USA —  April 21, 2011 9:03am ET

I simplify it for myself. A good wbthg list makes it a bit easier. In restaurants that don't offer such a list I usually say...."I'll have a glass of red...whatever was just opened" at least I have a better than 50-50 chance of enjoying it and I have fun trying to identify the grape. About 20% of the time, that line gets me a fresh bottle of anything, as they try to accommodate my wish. And....many times I am presently surprised by the mystery wine. I have had a simple Montepulciano, for instance, that was very agreeable and something I would not have normally ordered having seen it on a list.


Stephen Stewart — new mexico  —  April 21, 2011 11:05am ET

The stemware bothers me the most in restaurants.There's nothing worse than ordering an expensive red,then having to drink it out a small glass.I always want to take my own stemware out, but then you look kind of weird.I have seen restaurants use small fridges to keep their opened bottles fresh.Which is a great idea.


Adrian Bryksa — Calgary, Alberta, Canada —  April 21, 2011 11:25am ET

My biggest issues with by the glass programs for the most part is price. Don't try to pull the wool over your customers eyes by charging $10 for a glass of wine from a bottle that cost you $15. While I understand making money is important, gouging is bad business practise. I do like by the glass programs that offer smaller amounts, 2 oz pours for example. This allows for customers to try / sample many wines without bleeding too much cash. Also, improper stemware is frustrating too. If you have a back vintage Burgundy as a WBTG, then make sure you have the right stems that will compliment the wine. I also like when restos have preservation machines such as Enotmatics or alike. This shows a commitment to care for their BTG pours.


Stephen Plunkett — Sassi Restaurant, Scottsdale AZ USA —  April 21, 2011 8:29pm ET

My rule: If we can't sell an entire bottle in 24 hours, we should not have on by the glass. We refrigerate open bottles of red wine overnight and then if we take it out of the refrig at 4 it's perfect serving temperature by 6 pm.


Stewart Lancaster — beaver,pa —  April 22, 2011 12:30pm ET

i argue about the cost of the wine to the restaurant. I'm in PA. Recently at a restaurant they were selling the 2009 Prisoner for $90(retail around $35) The owner told me his purchase price was $50 because of the excess taxes the state charges.


Horacio Campana / Butler — Monterrey, Mexico —  April 22, 2011 1:32pm ET

I almost never have wine by the glass in a restaurant. While I share the freshness concern with others, the main reason for me is that I do not find the typical offerings appealing enough.

I am far along in my wine appreciation journey, so I have pretty high quality expectations from the wines I drink. I prefer to drink a beer than a so-so wine.

It is not often that one finds excellent wines in the wbtg lists, so I choose to buy a whole bottle OR have a beer.

I don't HAVE TO have wine with every meal. Especially if it is not that good.


Joe Dekeyser — Waukesha, WI —  April 22, 2011 3:40pm ET

I like the ideas offered regarding bag in box for wines by the glass. In many instances it would resolve the freshness issue. Perhaps a bit cynically, I wonder if restaurants that have problems with wine by the glass freshness should have wine on the menu.


Tom Bollenbeck — Pleasanton —  April 22, 2011 5:11pm ET

A fun way to around the WBTG dilemma is bring a small production $10-15 bottle with you everytime you go out. Offer the first glass to your server or bartender with a few facts on the winery, varietal, year and score. 9 out of 10 times they waive my cork fee (or) pour me a taste of someting on their list I ask about. If they waive the cork fee I increase the tip which is a win-win for both of us. Bringing in better wines each time makes it even more fun.


Susanne Koster — NY —  April 22, 2011 10:00pm ET

Aureole In NYC (new location on 42nd) ha excellent wine by the glass. Great stems, bottle brought over for inspection, generous tasting pour, then very generous pour.

For that type of service, I don't mind paying up by the glass.

Pet Peeve: When they come over with the little measured carafe - exactly 3.9 oz - not a drop more. Makes it seem cheap......


Monticello Vineyards — Napa, California —  April 23, 2011 10:23am ET

Cuvee Restaurant in Napa has a great system for pouring wines by the glass. We 'bottle' the wine into small resuable stainless kegs for them. They have an argon-based low pressure system that delivers the wine to a tap at the bar. The sanitary and enclosed argon keg system also protects the wine from oxidation. It works great and really keeps the wine fresh. The winery saves money and materials on traditional bottling supplies (no bottles, labels, corks, or capsules). The restaurant saves valuable space and time by minimizing bottles and boxes. We've provided wines for a similar system at One Midtown Kitchen in Atlanta as well. I think these keg systems, executed properly, are a great idea for WBTG programs.
Cheers, Chris Corley, Winemaker.


Patrick Benton — Thousand Oaks, CA —  April 23, 2011 5:02pm ET

Tim, great article and obviously spurred much debate.

My question is unrelated unfortunately, but I don't see anywhere to simply email editors/authors. I am a member of Seghesio and recently received an email from both them and another retailer stating that there basic '09 Sonoma County Zin. received a WS 90. That doesn't surprise me, I like their product and I know from your earlier articles/ratings you do as well. The unnamed retailer, went further to say that it was the highest rating of the vintage. So obviously I am led to believe that Rockpile, San Lorenzo et. al. fared worse than the 90..? This would surprise me.

My question is 1)Is it accurate. 2)Why don't we see that on WS anywere, even if it was posted "Web only"? Isn't that partially what we are paying for? I even checked the Insider and Advance to make sure I didn't miss it. Thank you,


Tim Fish — Santa Rosa, CA —  April 25, 2011 1:07pm ET

The 2009 Sonoma County Zin is the only Seghesio from 09 I've tasted so far, and the only 2009 Zin that the winery seems to be selling on it's website, so Rockpile, San Lorenzo etc, are yet to come.

As for the 2009 Zins overall, the wines are only just now trickling in and I have rated Zinfandels 90 and higher already. Watch for the reviews in the future.

By the way, here's a link to a recent Zinfandel Tasting Highlights that includes the 2009 Seghesio. Thanks for reading.

http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/44864


John T Ryan Iii — Pittsburgh,PA, USA —  April 25, 2011 8:35pm ET

I will never forget my celler tour of one of the great restaurants in America, a Grand Award winner for decades, a place to which I go out of my way when I'm in that part of the state to dine. I noticed some odd bottles standing up in one section of the celler, dusty, half filled, covered by ordinary corks. I asked what they were and I was told "Wine by the Glass"!!! No vacu-vin plugs, no nitrogen, no nothing. In a Temple to Wine, it had to be junk! I felt like as if I learned that the Mother Superior of the esteemed local convent was carrying on an affair with a Mafia Don! Fortunately, the restaurant had a great half bottle program for when I was alone or with non- or under-aged- drinkers and I could split full bottles with regular guests. I still go back there when I can but it is a scandal what they were doing, at least then.

A great wine by the glass program has either a great preservation system, ideally one you can see, or a limited sized wine by the glass list of good selections that turn over fast so that they can open up every bottle fresh every evening and throw away (or use for staff education or for the cook) all unused inventory at the end of the meal. Priced correctly, this can be profitable and build good will. Regards,


Rick Hooper — Sea Isle City, NJ USA —  April 26, 2011 10:11am ET

Tim, I wrote to back in March asking about some recommendations for winery visits in April in the Paso area. My wife and We did tastings in West Paso on 4/5/11. We can't thank you enough (We took your advice and called prior to our visit), we visited Denner, Linne Calodo, Villa Creek, Chateau Margene and Cerro Prieto, Wow, what a day of tasting some outstanding wines. My wife was apprehensive about Paso indicating she has a preference for Napa wines, of the 23 she tasted she loved them all. Thanks again, Best, Rick


Susan Aventi — Las Vegas NV —  April 26, 2011 2:59pm ET

Temperature is key. I wish people would stop saying "room temperature." Nothing should be room temperature in Las Vegas! If I see open red wine bottles on the counter, I order white.


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