
A composer writes a tune, gets six musicians from New Orleans to play it in a recording studio, calls the group The Grapes. The single is a hit, but dang, can't find the master tape. So the recording company hires a different bunch of musicians, also from New Orleans, to be The Grapes. They cover the song and it's released under the same title.
In essence, that's what Schild Estate has done with its 2008 Barossa Shiraz (read the full news story for all the details). When the wine turned out to be a huge hit and they ran out, they simply went out and bought more Barossa Shiraz wine from 2008 and made a new blend.
The folks at Schild stress that they made every effort to make the new blend in the same style as, and as good as, what they had made from their own vineyards in 2008. Maybe the new cuvée tastes just as good. Maybe it's better. I won't know until I taste samples that are on their way to me now.
Was it legal? Sure. The Shiraz indeed came from Barossa in the 2008 vintage. Was it right? That's the question.
In researching the story I contacted several winemakers, including some of the most prominent in Australia, described the situation (without mentioning the winery, because I had not yet confirmed the facts) and asked if they thought this was proper practice. They all said no. The reason was that the original so far exceeded expectations that it defined in consumer's minds what the wine was.
If Lindemans comes up 100,000 cases short on its Bin 65 Chardonnay, a nice $8 wine currently producing 1 million cases, and decides to add another cuvée of various lots of South Eastern Australia Chardonnay from the same vintage, it's not that big a deal. The winemakers responsible for Lindemans can make a nice blend that will not disappoint anyone spending eight bucks. You're not buying Bin 65 for depth of character.
But what if a wine gains high praise from critics? That's a different story. Schild captured lightning in a bottle with the 2008 Shiraz. Its knowledge of its own vineyards, careful selection and sharp blending produced one of the most insanely great values ever, a $20 wine that rated 94 points when I reviewed it this past fall. I tasted it twice, blind, and gave it the same score both times. (Schild has been consistently in the 90s with this wine, so it wasn't a huge surprise, but a pleasant one.)
Vineyard sources were the key. Schild farms more than 400 acres in southern Barossa, one of Australia's prime Shiraz regions. It sells most of its grapes, but keeps enough to make a few thousand bottles to sell under its own label. The Schilds are longtime growers, but only recently got into bottling their own wines.
Every producer who gets a big push from a high rating or high-profile recognition soon realizes that it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they love the kudos. The wine sells out fast. Demand can raise the price. But then you run out until next year. The temptation must be great to cash in on the publicity.
There may have been a certain level of naïveté in deciding to bottle up some more Barossa Shiraz and sell it under the same label. Winemaker Scott Hazeldine and general manager Casey Mohr seemed genuinely surprised that anyone could think they did something inappropriate. Only after I contacted them for a response to these concerns did Mohr offer to affix a "2nd blend" strip label to clarify for consumers what they might be getting.
Some producers typically bottle a given wine in separate batches over time, as Schild did with its original 2008 Barossa Shiraz from its estate. I have little quibble with that practice. It's not ideal, but it's not uncommon for small wineries with lots that are larger than they usually deal with. (The Shiraz is by far Schild's largest production wine.) It's more efficient to keep the wine in a tank than to store it in a lot of glass bottles. The various bottlings will only differ significantly for the first few months, but they should be just as good since they came from the same grapes and fermentation tanks.
The distinction here is that the sources are not the same. It's not even made from Schild's own grapes, which brings up another issue, whether the word "estate" in Schild's brand name implies that the wine inside the bottle came from their own grapes. Although the winery's website and back label emphasize the family's vineyards, Australian rules do not require that the wines actually come from there, any more than Rosemount Estate must grow all of its grapes.
But the rules do require that the total package not be misleading, and it seems to me Schild walked right up to the edge on that score. Ironically, if the 2008 Shiraz had not won such high marks from me and other critics, a second blend under the same label might not be considered misleading at all. In this case, Schild made itself a victim of its own success.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 1:32pm ET
John G Lawson — N, CA — March 16, 2011 1:53pm ET
Hate to say but I am sure this is not the first nor the last time this will happen. I do not care what they have done with the second there is no way it will be the same as the first, sorry. To even mention that they would be similar is complete and total hogwash. First, they would have to have the same grapes from the same vineyard fermented with the same yeast. Processed and barreled in almost the EXACT same manner. Then blended with the exact same blending wines and on and on. This is sad but when it comes to money people do unethical things. This is at the least unethical. I am 100% positive that your tasting will reveal such . I will never buy it . I am not a big fan of shiraz/syrah anyway. Mostly overripe and overrated wines from all over the world for this varietal.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 1:54pm ET
I think your analogy to the band is actually a poor one; we have the same winemakers at work here--by analogy, the same music (idea) and the same musicians (personnel): the better comparison would be between two recordings of the same "song" by the same group, where the recording varied according to date and location and (perhaps) instruments. The problem is, the musical "product" (a "song") isn't an "object" the way winemaking's object (a bottle of wine) is. Strictly speaking, the "material" of which songs are made is sound itself. The more interesting question, to me, is not whether the winemaker should have tried to repeat his success, but whether he did.
Michael Bonanno — CT — March 16, 2011 1:58pm ET
Please. This was a bad call from the start and now everyone is realizing it. The score for the fake 08 schild could be 95pts and it still would have been bad buisness. .
Andrew J Walter — Sacramento, CA — March 16, 2011 2:11pm ET
Interesting issue-- I bought a case fom the 2nd bottling run of the estate wines and it was awesome, in the alcoholic grape juice fashion consistent with Aussie shiraz. Due to the article , I opened up a bottle last night and had it with split pea soup and bacon -- a combination I liked so much that I drank most of the bottle (for which I am now paying for with a headache!). I will very happily buy some of the "2nd blend" if it ever gets over here. That being said, I agree with you that in "fine wine", all bottles should contain the same wine (this includes extra tank aging as long as no additional oak was applied). If different grapes are used to satisfy demand, then it should be labeled as such. Bulk wines... well if you like that stuff then cavet emperor...anything goes there
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 2:21pm ET
I'm unable to share in Mr. Lawson's outrage. A great wine typically depends primarily on two things: a great vintage superlative winemaking. That the winery even attempted to reproduce their efforts is remarkable, but I see no arrogance. Balls, yes. I'd love to hear more about how they went about trying to model the latter bottling after the earlier ones. Perhaps you can write more about that, Harvey.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 2:27pm ET
Harvey, the title of this blog doesn't seem to fit, but I know what you mean. Perhaps you can say more about how feasible it is for Schild to succeed, under these conditions, in replicating their earlier achievement. Evaluate their tactics: are they forgetting anything? If great wine begins on the vine, it seems that they should be in a good position to decide whether the effort would be worthwhile.
Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA — March 16, 2011 2:44pm ET
Jonathan, I might do that after I taste the new blend.
John Shuey — Dallas. TX — March 16, 2011 3:26pm ET
The question is one of ethics, if it weren't Schild would have indicated on the label that this was a different blend and bottling than the prize-winner. They were fully aware of what they were doing. As for some of the above comments, it seems a basic ethics course is needed in public education.
David Rapoport — CA — March 16, 2011 3:40pm ET
Victim of their own success? Not really. They CHOSE to behave this way rather than recognizing that wine is a finite asset and waiting until next year for the new vintage. Had they wanted to increase sales, something which is not a problem, they could have quite easily bottled the wine as a separate cuvee and marketed it appropriately to those who liked the original wine. Sure it's a bit more work, but too bad
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 3:54pm ET
Personally, I've had advanced ethics courses, and I find Mr. Shuey's comments naive and simplistic in terms of winemaking and the law.
John G Lawson — N, CA — March 16, 2011 4:38pm ET
The simple fact is that it was not the same wine that was rated. If you think a winery can just go out and source fruit and/or juice and make an exact replica of given wine you are sorely mistaken. Would they have made such an effort if the wine sold out slower without the rating but still sold out ? I think not. The demand was provided by the rating and they took advantage of such. Ethical ? Not in the least. Original ? Not the first time. To think that the wine process is that simple and easy to duplicate shows pure ignorance of the process. Invite me to a blind tasting and I will be more than happy to point out the differences between the two wines. If Harvey can't than shame on him.
Adrian Bryksa — Calgary, Alberta, Canada — March 16, 2011 5:12pm ET
I am glad they got caught and glad they were exposed. Any suffering that comes to the Schild brand because of this is just and fair. What they did is wrong and I would suggest that all wine professionals, Wine Spectator included boycott this brand as they have now proven they cannot be trusted.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 5:25pm ET
Mr. Lawson engages in knocking down straw men: for example, has any claim of creating an "exact replica" been made? does demand respond merely to a high rating, or to a high-quality wine? He also misunderstands the rating process, which always pertains to a particular bottle (or at the most two) of wine, not an entire bottling, much less an entire year's production that shares a label. A case in point: should Harvey identify in his ratings the particular bottlings from which he tasted bottles of the Columbia Crest Grand Estates Chardonnay of 2008, of which 200,000 cases are made? Let me repeat that number: Two hundred thousand. Can he guarantee that every bottle in this vintage will rate an 89? Can you be confident that his rating applies to the bottle you're purchasing? If not, of what value is his rating? Why bother rating individual bottles?
Every investment in a bottle of wine comes with some risk. There are no guarantees. Those who understand the product aren't offended by this fact. Moreover, when a wine achieves a high rating, a savvy wine buyer realizes that there is good fruit and good winemaking behind the bottle; someone who rejects what Schild has done on moral grounds has other priorities.
And Harvey, I do think you've done some needless muckraking here.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 5:57pm ET
To clarify my point about price point: nothing on the bottle or fact sheet suggests that this wine is made from grapes on a single vineyard site (think of, say, the Loring or Siduri single-vineyard Pinot Noirs); a wine that carried those credentials would typically cost more. You get what you pay for here ($20), and the winery works within the parameters in play. Because it scored so high, I think people assumed that it was in the other sort of category, and hence cried foul when Schild acted like they weren't. But no, it's really just Barossa Shiraz. And judging by your past ratings of Schild, it looks like they're delivering great value year after year. Let's not forget that all wineries need to turn a profit; this one seems to be following the rules that exist and making even more great wine from this vintage.
Andrew J Walter — Sacramento, CA — March 16, 2011 6:06pm ET
John -- WHile its legal, its clearly not ethical to submit a wine for review and then sell different wine under the same label (like what Charles Shaw did to win best chard in the Cal State fair a few years ago). With Schild in particular, I have found that their entry level shiraz has demonstrated a consistently high QPR so I will be happy to buy the "2nd Blend" but their initial plans to not label it as such would have pissed me off if I had unwittingly purchased it
Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA — March 16, 2011 6:13pm ET
Jonathan, don't forget that the web site and back label speak only of estate grapes. Also in my research for the story with the top ten ranking, they made a point that the wine was all from all estate fruit. Again, that does not make subsequent lots illegal. But is it right?
Chris A Elerick — Orlando, FL — March 16, 2011 6:38pm ET
mr. lawrence,
i find myself disagreeing with just about everything you've written so far.
there are winemakers who post comments on this site, including brian loring and adam lee of siduri. they can speak to this better than i can, but my understanding of the blending process is that once the final blend is determined, all juice is combined based on this determined blend, and that combined juice is then bottled. whether we're talking about a 100-case production or a 100,000-case production, there is minimal difference in the blend from one bottle to another. if i'm correct, then the answer to your question regarding whether we can expect every bottle to taste like the bottle the ws editor rated, my answer is a resounding "yes."
this is a very big deal. whether we like it or not, demand for wine is driven by professional critics' scores. if i see the '08 schild barossa shiraz available for $20 with the descriptor that the wine received 94 points from wine spectator and was in the top 10 wines of 2010, and in reading the tasting note the wine sounds right up my alley, i'm going to spend my hard-earned dollars on it. if i later find out that the wine i bought was not as advertised, i was misled. period. even if the wine i bought tastes similar to what was reviewed, even it tastes EXACTLY like what was reviewed, it is not the same wine. but it was sold as the same wine, and therein lies the issue.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 6:43pm ET
Harvey: I don't find what you're referring to on the web site (surely not that "translating the unique tapestry of its vineyards..." boilerplate), and I don't have access to the back label; please enlighten me.
Sounds like they're come clean in any case; good publicity for them!
Love to hear your response to my comments on the CC Chardonnay; I consider that a much more problematic (and misleading) phenomenon.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 7:36pm ET
That phenomenon, of course, is the negative correlation between the reliability of a rating and volume of production. Not really an issue, of course, unless a favorable rating is proffered, but virtually meaningless.
Michael J Moses — Hackettstown, NJ — March 16, 2011 7:41pm ET
Jonathan,
You seem awfully defensive as if you worked for or were affiliated with Schild. I see it as a lack of ethics as well and I do not believe I need a degree or ethics course to see it as such. I am often frustrated after drinking the final bottle of any great vintage knowing I will most likely never have the opportunity to drink it again. That is the nature of wine. When it is gone, it is gone. For 2 buck chuck, who cares, but they should not be doing this with a premier bottling that consistently scores high, especially with the the current WS Top 100 score. Label it anything other than what it is not, the original wine. Smacks of greed.
Andrew Kiken — Calistoga, Ca — March 16, 2011 8:20pm ET
Wineries do comparisons every year, between time spent in oak, type of oak, and aging it in stainless steel versus oak with whites. Wineries do tests of the same lot, fermented with yeast or without yeast. Fermenting wine in different sized barrels is a comparison or fermenting in stainless steel, while the same lot is fermented in oak.
Making wine is trial and error, there are always different minor tests wineries do. The consumer would not know of the tests wineries do, as it would not be practical to bottle a miniscule amount of wine that was made slightly differently. Wineries experiment with different ways to make wine and improve the final product. So, the idea that every bottle will taste exactly the same is not possible.
Fred Brown — Maryland — March 16, 2011 8:34pm ET
Was it legal? Sure. The Shiraz indeed came from Barossa in the 2008 vintage. Was it right? That's the question.
And the answer is "NO".
What a shame.
Anyone know how to tell the two apart, other than drinking it ;-)?
Todd Bishop — San Francisco, CA — March 16, 2011 8:58pm ET
Harvey, for clarification, I'm curious about a couple of points:
First, you mentioned that they indicated that "they made every effort to make the new blend in the same style as, and as good as, what they had made from their own vineyards in 2008." But did they offer their opinion on whether they actually achieved their goal?
Second, do you know whether any of the second blend was already released (specifically in the US) prior to your discussion with them (i.e., prior to them agreeing to affix the label distinguishing the blends)?
Thanks in advance, and looking forward to your update after you taste the second blend.
Fred Brown — Maryland — March 16, 2011 8:59pm ET
Never mind, I found the article and posts with all the serial details.
Todd Bishop — San Francisco, CA — March 16, 2011 9:18pm ET
You can also disregard my second question. I too read your blog before the news article running on the site.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 16, 2011 9:32pm ET
Mr. Elerick: I'm curious: when a bottle does not taste as it should (say, that 90-point bottle tastes more like an 80), with whom do you find fault? Is the reviewer wrong? Or might it be only that you THINK it's an 80, but of course so-and-so says it's a 90 therefore it simply MUST be? The professional reviewers would like you to believe that demand is driven by their scores, of course; but what drives those scores, and how accurate are they when it comes to individual bottles?
Michael, I have no affiliation with Schild.
Todd: answers: 1. Does it matter what the winemaker thought? Are you looking for a guarantee of success? Wouldn't they want and expect the consumer to judge? That judgment isn't the job of the winery. 2. This blend isn't even supposed to be released in the US, so I don't know why Harvey is getting some to review (pointless, isn't it?).
Ivan Campos — Ottawa, Canada — March 16, 2011 10:35pm ET
Why don't we simplify:
1. materials X and methodology Y produced Z, the Final Product
2. Z becomes highly acclaimed
3. Demand increases for Z
4. Company knows cause of increased demand is to experience "Z"
5. Company runs out of Z
6. Company combines materials W and methodology Y, and calls it Z
7. Since W is not X, W + Y cannot equal wine "Z", and Company knows this (even my beer-drinking friends know this simple axiom)
8. Since Company still labels W+Y as "Z", Company is being untruthful.
Now that we're all in agreement,
It is terribly hard to believe that the management of a sophisticated enterprise would not have known what it was doing (reasonable to expect that no external party will be bored enough to count were each case has been distributed? I suspect even forensic accountants don't have "compare in-year production levels with data captured in wine publications" as part of their due diligence.) That this only came to light by sheer fluke speaks volumes.
On a positive note (and other end of the spectrum), in response to my question some weeks ago, a NZ winery was open and prompt to clarify that the pinot that was available in my area was not their Top 100 bottling. Kudos for choosing an honest answer over the potential loss of a sale!
More pertinent question now is how WS will factor these ethical considerations into its future coverage...
Jim Lam — Vancouver, BC, Canada — March 16, 2011 11:57pm ET
I'm a big fan of Schild Shiraz and have to say I am very disappointed to be reading this. I bought five cases of 2008 Shiraz. Yes, I liked it that much. Two cases were bought before they ran out at the provincial liquor store. I've only been drinking from the first two cases. I bought the wine based on the rating and agree with the 94 points. I hope the other three cases I bought are not from the second batch. If Schild Estate was confident in it's product. They should of labeled it as a second batch and let the product speak for itself. They could of saved themselves a whole lot of trouble here. Harvey, thanks for having the nads to point this out.
Mr. Lawrence, I find it hard to believe you are not affiliated with Schild Estate by your comments. Almost all are agreeing that this was an unethical thing to do.
Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA — March 17, 2011 12:06am ET
Jonathan wrote: "2. This blend isn't even supposed to be released in the US, so I don't know why Harvey is getting some to review (pointless, isn't it?)."
Answer: We do have readers in Australia.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 17, 2011 7:26am ET
I wouldn't mind working for Schild; they sound like a great company; perhaps they'll send me a case of the new wine in appreciation.
I'm sure you're right Harvey; still, the issue is whether the law was followed: whether they succeeded is interesting but not germane.
Much ado about nothing.
Still awaiting your comments on the CC Chardonnay, i.e., reviews of wine produced in truly huge quanties for which there is no possibility of consistency.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 17, 2011 8:46am ET
Despite Mr. Campos's attempt at logic (Bravo!), the fact remains that two "Final Products" may equally well qualify for the same label.
That it came to light at all, even by a "fluke", suggests, rather than deceit, that there was not a concerted attempt to conceal what was being done.
Too bad the "innocent until proven guilty" idea doesn't hold among those "most WS readers" who find Schild's behavior "unethical".
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 17, 2011 8:57am ET
If I might: Wine consumers need to know more about a wine than its rating. Wine is a business for those who make and sell it, and they want to sell it. Wineries brag about their successes (their "high" ratings), not their low ones; wine shops leave up ratings from prior years that most likely don't fit a current vintage; winemakers attempt to sell based on their prestige, not their achievement; and on and on.
So, if someone rates a wine highly, and you trust that rating, and you take a risk and buy it, don't blame anyone if it doesn't live up to your expectation. Don't feel that you have been GUARANTEED something.
People seem to be feeling that they have been deceived here, have been gypped. But many false assumptions go into that perception, including the one that has been exposed here, namely, that every bottle from a particularly winery from a particular vintage carrying a particular label is "the same wine". Simply not true. That was an illusion: If you didn't know it before, now you do.
Homer Cox — Warrenton, VA — March 17, 2011 9:12am ET
Jonathan- How do you see that they came clean? Two Hands noticed an additional bottling. Do you think we would be even talking about this if they had not?
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 17, 2011 9:38am ET
Homer, I don't know; wouldn't there have been other indications? Increases in supply? Seems that there could have been lots of opportunities for questions to arise in this case, given the small bottling volume. In any case, I don't see "coming clean" as a significant requirement if they didn't actually do anything illegal. In other words, no, I don't think we'd be talking about it, and I don't think it would make any difference.
Alex Lim — singapore — March 17, 2011 10:56am ET
mr lawerence - it is really difficult to see that you are in fact not affiliated with schild estate at all, as you have really spend much effort backing up the cpmpany from the word go as if you were waiting for the report to come out. Or are you really working for the importer?? If Schild estate really feel that there nothing wrong with the practice I really wonder how long its been going on??? most likely the 2004 vintage I guess.... WS do have readers from all over the world as you can see.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention Winespectator!
John G Lawson — N, CA — March 17, 2011 11:09am ET
To all the wine experts that agree with Shild bottling another wine in the same label
after the highly rated wine sold out . Please provide me with same examples of wineries that do the same (same or higher price category). Andrew Kiken: the trials and tests in the winery are done BEFORE they bottle not after . The question is not that every bottle taste the same. The question is that every bottle that has the same front and back label be the same wine.If bottling and labeling were so unimportant they why do wineries make different wines?????
Tony Aukett — Chicago, IL — March 17, 2011 11:24am ET
' we have the same winemakers at work here' Hmm. Such vehement multiple protests from someone in the industry when almost all other comments do not agree with what was done. Just makes me wonder what goes on at that winery. Not sure if I want to know the name or not.
David Rapoport — CA — March 17, 2011 11:27am ET
Mr Lawrence,
The bottom line is, there are conventions and expectations when dealing in that vague arena of "fine wine". There is a implied contract of provenance. Is it a legal contract, not always. Still, there are boundaries that the consumer base, logically or not, has come to expect. Given that WE, the consumer base, should be in the power seat (given that we are the ones spending our money on the producers products), WE, en masse, have every right to set the dynamics and expectations
Schild was, wantonly it seems, deceptive. For that, they deserve the bad press.
I'll take you at your claim that you don't work for them. It does appear that you have some agenda. It could be as simple the desire to be contrarian.
Harvey Steiman — San Francisco, CA — March 17, 2011 11:30am ET
Jonathan, a very large winery such as Columbia Crest has the resources to make a single blend of 200,000 cases, bottle it, store it and distribute it without having to do multiple bottlings. Could they simply make another blend and bottle it under the same label? Of course. Would they? I doubt it. They have built a reputation on consistency and integrity.
As s reviewer I can only give you the benefit of my experience with a specific wine. Many factors can affect your experience, including shipping and storage conditions, the cork (if they used one), the ambience of your environment and, of course, your individual preferences. This incident highlights a key issue: can we count on the label to tell us what we need to know?
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 17, 2011 12:47pm ET
Mr. Rapoport,
My agenda: to share my thoughts on the subject, no more. Are you in a better position to speak for all "WE consumers" or for their interests?
I'll look into your claims about Columbia Crest: whether they "have the resources" should be easy enough to discover; their actual practices are also at issue. I'll be visiting the winery this summer, so I'll see for myself! (I'll be traveling incognito, of course!) In any case, the "consistency" you claim is not something I've experienced firsthand.
Harvey, please suggest that readers take a look at Darren Jackson's comments on the related story.
John G Lawson — N, CA — March 17, 2011 5:27pm ET
Last night I had dinner with a good friend of mine that runs the bottling line for one of the largest and oldest wineries in the Napa Valley. I asked him flat out about bottling their 2008 Napa Cabernet . He stated they do many bottlings of the wine based on orders by clients however, when the wine is finished it is finished. They hold the finished and blended wine in tank or in barrel
and bottle as needed however, they do not change the wine. They NEVER change the blend or re-release a different wine under the same label for any reason. Enough said about this topic. For me , Schild took advantage of not only the consumer but WS as well.
Michael Opdahl — Los Angeles, CA — March 17, 2011 5:56pm ET
I posted this on the ebob board, but as it is critical of WA's methodology, I expect it to be taken down promptly:
This is an interesting discussion on many levels, and as someone ITB, here is my take on things:
1. This happens a lot. How do you stop it? A big first step would be to stop reporting barrel scores or impressions and only taste/rate wines based on the finished product (as WS & WE insist on doing). The potential for "stretching" a wine's production off a favorable barrel score will be greatly eliminated. It also will go a long way towards eliminating the "best barrel" submission for a barrel review that is endemic with the current methodology.
2. Stop reviewing wines directly with producers, and only accept finished wines & taste in peer groups, ala WS & WE. I'm not saying don't taste with producers/importers/winemakers, but for purposes of actually putting a score/review to a wine, the sit-down-over-lunch practice is just not objective, and WA's current methodology is ripe for abuse. If you don't believe that there have been multiple instances of a winery/importer/winemaker putting together a "tasting" blend just prior to a WA sit down, you are dreaming. Review whats in the bottle, that is the exact product that is available to consumers on the shelves, and you'll go a long way towards eliminating such malfeasance.
3. Publish, (and then publicly hold producer's accountable for when discrepancies arise) actual production/importation #s. When R Wines went into receivership in Australia, what was infinitely amusing was the actual volume of available case goods (i.e. bottled wines) that had received HUGE scores from WA (but from nowhere else) and whose published "case production #s" were actually a very small % of what was actually produced. If a producer is publicly held accountable (shamed) when they "lie" to reviewers, it will go a long way towards ending the ongoing, ridiculous practice of under-reporting a wine's production to create an image of scarcity. This happens WAY more than "stretching" a wines production. You'll never stop it (I know of one VERY highly acclaimed winery who sourced from the bulk market tens of thousands of cases of one of their lower end wines & sold them directly into Canada solely b/c of the score.....and China is even worse), but getting caught doing it ala Sierrea Crapche & now Schild, will make the scrupulous producers think twice.
Of course doing the above would eliminate (or at least heavily curtail) the current Bordeaux futures market, as well as general wine speculation for the cherries, and we couldn't have that now could we?
Michael Neeley — Everett, WA — March 17, 2011 5:58pm ET
One thing I'd like to mention: Whether you believe Schild engaged in deceptive business practices or that what they did was fine and dandy, thank you Harvey, for bringing this to our attention so we can debate the issue ourselves.
Michael J Moses — Hackettstown, NJ — March 17, 2011 6:39pm ET
It is one thing to play the role of contrarian to engender friendly debate, another to defend a producer from some modern day McCarthyism. These are REAL issues at hand. Just because they legally found a loophole doesn't make it right.
The true "spirit" of producing a vintage, as with any handshake agreement is that it is what it is, not to be altered after the fact. Damage control after the fact is still damage control. They only addressed the issue when pressed, just like how everyone is sorry when they're caught. As mentioned by other readers, we do not have the inside information of the business as some of the editors and critics do. They act as an ombudsman of sorts. Helping keep it as honest as it can be. If a producer needs to be publicly shamed for an act of impropriety, so be it. They deserve it. I would be curious if after this, they ever try releasing a "second blend" again. My money is on no.
Homer Cox — Warrenton, VA — March 17, 2011 7:36pm ET
Apprised of the circumstances of the second bottling, Brian Croser, dean of Australian winemakers and a longtime industry leader, noted that the Australian Wine and Brandy Corporation Act (which created the group that promotes and oversees the industry) has a catch-all clause about "false and misleading conduct” that could lead to prosecution. “The practice as described is immoral and would be viewed as such by the vast majority of the Australian wine community,” said Croser.
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I am sure most have read this quote from Harvey's other article on the subject. Croser appears to be firm in his opinion.
Andrew Kiken — Calistoga, Ca — March 17, 2011 8:17pm ET
The Wine Spectator will likely not publish this, but I assure they have biases against certain wineries. Claiming to do an initially blind tasting does not mean you can't change the score, once you learn who the producer is. Also, the Wine Spectator favors certain producers in the order of wines they taste and whether they taste the wines at all. I can tell you this is a fact on the 2nd statement, and could never prove the first statement.
Robert Parker, has to do barrel tastings, because he is rating mainly cult wines. He needs to give his consumers an edge over consumers who do not subscribe to his service. So, if you subscribe to his service you can pre order or order wines before or as they are being released.
By the time, Wine Spectator reviews the smaller cult wineries wines they are sold out anyway.
Homer Cox — Warrenton, VA — March 17, 2011 9:25pm ET
Andrew, to remain on topic, what data do you have that supports WS has a gripe with Schild? If you don't have a direct answer, don't respond.
Tim Weaver — Vancouver — March 18, 2011 10:32am ET
From the back label of the 2008 Schild Estate:
"Today, second and third generation vigneron's work side by side to solidfy Schild Estates reputation, built on its commitment to translating the unique tapestry of ITS vineyards into wines that speak of honesty and drinkability"
Mr Lawrence, if they are going to put this on their label we should expect that the grapes are from their vineyards, if they want to do a second bottling from grapes sourced elsewhere, well that is their decision, but they should inform the consumer of what they are doing. It seems that the only reason that they are putting on second bottling label, is because they have been found out at what they are doing. I applaud WS for bringing this to our attention and bringing some accountability to Schild.
For what is worth, I loved the wine, I gave up on Oz Shiraz a while ago, but this wine is worth the high rating.
Jonathan Lawrence — somewhere in the world — March 18, 2011 11:19am ET
Thanks, Tim. It's the same thing that the website says, what I've referred to as "boilerplate." Strictly speaking, this describes how Schild established its reputation, not what is in the bottle. To say that that reputation was "built on" bottling estate grapes is not a guarantee that estate grapes are in the bottle; if anything, it suggests, as I've argued above, a willingness to go further.
In any case, my reading of this sentence obviously isn't the most popular one, and most people see the current situation as an attempt to mislead and deceive.
I've contacted the winery with my thoughts and have requested a chance to hear their side of it in more detail--not likely, I know, but perhaps if they read my posts they'll realize I'm not out to rake more muck.
John G Lawson — N, CA — March 18, 2011 4:53pm ET
Jonathan How does a winery bottle a "reputation" and not actual wine? When they submit a wine it is not the "reputation" that gets rated it is the actual wine IN THE BOTTLE.
Kc Tucker — Escondido, CA USA — March 18, 2011 5:49pm ET
Any ideas how I market this wine to my customers? "You've read the intrigue... now try the wine!"
Regarding ethical practices: Chasing rating points is one thing, but
Was it ethical for Shafer to release their 2006 1.5 Cab knowing it was, shall I say, WAY different from their customary flavor profile?
Was it ethical for Caymus to dump their 2006 Special Select on the big box market after loyal retailers bought it at a higher PRE-RELEASE price?
Jim Kern
Holiday Wine Cellar
Escondido, CA
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Whether the winery claimed the grapes were estate-grown seems to be the crucial issue--not whether it says "Estate" in the name of the winery. I don't see anything on this wine's "fact sheet" making that claim. I give the winemaker credit for trying to reproduce his efforts. Clearly, the price point of the wine is a factor, i.e., the estate grapes themselves can't be that unique if they're offering the wine at this price. So, I say, it looks like they did some fantastic winemaking and deceived no one; their willingness to relabel the new bottling suggests that they were trying to supply demand, not to deceive ("cash in").